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    Tony is smarter? Isn’t Batman like a meme-level top tier tactician? In the whowouldwin subreddit (before I left) “Batman, with prep” was the op answer to any prompt.

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      Yeah and Bats even has a bunch of power armors for fighting metahumans.

      I personally subscribe to the idea that he literally just dies when a super sneezes on him, but, comics aren’t about sensible physics.

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          Especially MCU Tony in that prototype suit from Ironman 1. He’d have been pudding from that crash.

          I like how Star Trek chose to at least Macguffin the physics with the “inertial dampening fields” in the ships. Because it’s not the speed; it’s the sudden stop that’ll get ya.

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            It’s all about acceleration. Accelerate too fast? Pain. Decelerate too fast? Also pain.

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      If there’s one thing that’s true of every criminal from supervillain to street level thug it’s that they always give the authorities and vigilantes plenty of time to “prepare”, especially if it’s batman.

      Plus he’s not all that great about it; plenty of others, most famously Bane, have out-prepared and/or out-planned batman.

      “if batman had time to prepare” is just what people tell themselves. it‘s never really considered that if batman has time to prepare, so would his enemies because they’d know about their own crimes before they happen.

      It’s basically arguing the same thing as “well batman will beat you if he jumps out from behind a corner and sucker punches you”. like yeah a lot of people would kick my ass if they get to surprise me.

      and like so what’s the situation like gordon gets on his red phone and is like “batman help the penguin and the joker are going around gotham causing mayhem, destruction, and death!” “….ok. how much time do i have to prepare?”

      kinda the nature of the job is that you don’t have time to prepare, without letting people get hurt or die while you’re off preparing. it’s hack writing when he’s written that way and hospital grade coping for batman fans that don’t want to admit someone could easily beat him.

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      Either with prep time would win. The reason Tony is kinda better than batman is because he quickly adapts to the situation, while batman can only rely on pre-planning.

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      Right? That’s the one thing I dislike about the new movies. They make it seem like Stark created Spider-Man, but Parker already had gadgets before Stark was ever around. Stark gave him one suit, he didn’t mentor Peter. Besides, I’m pretty sure Spider-Man could mop the floor with Ironman.

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        For sure, specially Toby maguire version or any other version that doesn’t depend on cartridges and can generate web innately.

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        New movies are trash cash grab unfortunately. They are technically ok, but story is bad for all movies. The only good thing is vulture.

        Raimi’s movies are better, but old peter parker in “spiderman into the spider verse” is the only true spiderman

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      The general idea that I’ve seen floating around is that he is easily on the same level as Stark, Banner, Pym, and Richards but because he started hero-ing at such a young age he never got the resources such as high level education or time to develop a thesis/experiment with his ideas.

      If he had those options available to him then yea, equal than or possibly better than Tony.

      My brain works in racing terms so my personal analogy would be as follows:

      If you took the best go cart racer rookie to have ever been seen and dropped him straight into formula 2 he would probably figure it out and rise up somewhere near the top and be good if not great. But if he then tried to jump into F1 he would probably get spanked.

      But if instead he did his time in go carts, shifter carts, dallara carts, dabbled in gt series and prototypes, was mentored by racing legends and then worked through F3, this prodigy would likely blast through F2 and rise to the top of F1 as one of the greatest of all times.

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      Yeah but depending on which Robin that is, if it’s Dick he’s actually a better detective than Batman by Batmans own admission. All of them outstrip him in one aspect or another.