All the food you have ever bought sure, but what about eaten? I’ve eaten wild blueberries, venison jerky that a coworker shot, gutted, and processed himself, my grandma used to grow rhubarb in her garden and made pies and jam from it, my other grandma grows tomatoes & broccoli…
Sure I guess. I have also pitched a tent in a forest before so didn’t have to deal with for-profit housing in some instances too.
The issue is the vast majority of instances are for profit. And it would be impossible for the vast majority in modern urban society to grow/hunt their own food or pitch a tent in the woods.
Ever been to a potluck or gotten a free meal at a church? I’m with ya that I still think we need industrial level AG, just I think we could do better if it wasn’t all driven for-profit.
Profits are what you get paid for owning property, not for doing work.
Many farmers own their property and are very much so interested in getting paid for their work. Zero profits means only costs are being paid, the farmer very much so still wants to be paid for his work.
See you are still mistaken the owner and worker in your example are the same person where as in many big businesses they are two distinct groups, with the smaller (in proportion of people) owner class having most of the leverage in negotiations. To the owner if they employ others the wages they pay are a cost to their profits, with the farmer he is also his worker so his overhead beyond his operating costs is his “wage”. Both have operation costs like buying raw materials rent/taxes on properties, machine operation/repair costs. Profits are a cost that employees pay to the owners if you want my opinion on it. There’s an argument that the owners deserve some portion of this but at the moment profits are put over people because the leverage like I said earlier is in the hands of the owner class.
Sort of like food should be for eating, not profit making.
But all the food I have ever bought has been within a for profit system.
All the food you have ever bought sure, but what about eaten? I’ve eaten wild blueberries, venison jerky that a coworker shot, gutted, and processed himself, my grandma used to grow rhubarb in her garden and made pies and jam from it, my other grandma grows tomatoes & broccoli…
Sure I guess. I have also pitched a tent in a forest before so didn’t have to deal with for-profit housing in some instances too.
The issue is the vast majority of instances are for profit. And it would be impossible for the vast majority in modern urban society to grow/hunt their own food or pitch a tent in the woods.
Ever been to a potluck or gotten a free meal at a church? I’m with ya that I still think we need industrial level AG, just I think we could do better if it wasn’t all driven for-profit.
Yep, turns out workers like being paid for providing goods and services.
Commerce isn’t the same as things being for-profit. And, indeed, workers getting paid is the primary thing that cuts into profits.
Wages aren’t “personal profits”. The idea that they are is a lie the ownership class has been selling for generations.
Profits are what you get paid for owning property, not for doing work.
Many farmers own their property and are very much so interested in getting paid for their work. Zero profits means only costs are being paid, the farmer very much so still wants to be paid for his work.
See you are still mistaken the owner and worker in your example are the same person where as in many big businesses they are two distinct groups, with the smaller (in proportion of people) owner class having most of the leverage in negotiations. To the owner if they employ others the wages they pay are a cost to their profits, with the farmer he is also his worker so his overhead beyond his operating costs is his “wage”. Both have operation costs like buying raw materials rent/taxes on properties, machine operation/repair costs. Profits are a cost that employees pay to the owners if you want my opinion on it. There’s an argument that the owners deserve some portion of this but at the moment profits are put over people because the leverage like I said earlier is in the hands of the owner class.
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