• Guydht@lemmy.world
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      11 months ago

      And do what instead? Say “oh jee Hamas, you got us!” And continue living with a constant threat over civilian lives???

      Nothing will stop Israel except a Palestinian leader who actually stops preaching for violence and “resistance”, and doesn’t fund terror in the region. Meanwhile, 0 Palestinian leaders have done so. And when the Palestinian consensus is “destroy Israel”, why would Israel stop their invasion? They’re objectively evil in Israeli eyes, and Israel has the means to actually properly do something about it.

      Actually maybe a third-party governing Gaza would also stop the Israeli invasion. But who tf would wanna take that role.

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        11 months ago

        what about the other side of that coin? why should palestine give up? when they’re being oppressed by a genocidal apartheid state, which steals their land and slaughters their people, why would they give up? They have nothing to gain and everything to lose.

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          11 months ago

          Nothing to gain? What about an actual decent level of living? Palestinians in the west bank aren’t happy, but they’re so much more happy than Palestinians in Gaza.

          From their own point of view, Hamas rule brings nothing but destruction. Resisting more just slaps them back tenfold. No one wants that, ever. And if they do, then idk what to say to them. I sympathize with their suffering, but their choice is heavily to blame.

          And oh please. Calling Israel a genocidal Apartheid state is exactly the propaganda which will cause more violence in the region. Do you want “justice” or do you want people not dying? Personally I don’t like people dying, so I like to not villainize any side, when both sides have suffered from the other’s aggression. Calling one side genocidal and the other martyrs is exactly why we have this conflict.

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        11 months ago

        Nothing will stop Israel except a Palestinian leader who actually stops preaching for violence and “resistance”, and doesn’t fund terror in the region.

        In that case maybe Israel should stop supporting the ones who do against the moderate PNA?

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          11 months ago

          They 100% should and that should be the main criticism towards Israel. Them funding Gaza - which means funding the Gazan government - Hamas - is how they got such good weapons and a large arsenal as they did. The world should 100% condemn anyone who funds them, and yet barely anyone does.

          Maybe the PNA is not the best case for peace in the region, since it pays for families of suicide bombers and calls for intifadas, but they’re 100% better than Hamas. And Israel should at least support them more than Hamas.