War is horrible and especially when Hamas embeds itself inside the civilian population, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
War is horrible and especially when Israel embeds itself inside the civilian population, killing everyone and anyone, going into a hospital to shoot people or sniping doctors from outside, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
Israel makes mistakes and have very bad policies. I am the last one to defend it.
However, IDF is not a murderous organization as you think of it. There are clear rules on how to engage in combat and strict written moral rules that everyone should follow. I know because I served there and was taught these rules and had to memorize
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Code_of_Ethics
However, people are people. There are bad apples. People also just make mistakes and Israel has (too) many different opinions and fragments and ideologies that I have nothing in common with. So yeah it’s complicated.
Your view of Israel as one murderous genocidal entity is not different from the view a lot of Israelis have of the Palestinians, especially after October 7th, that is sad and will not bring the conflict anywhere to an end
I would recommend you check out some testimonies from IDF soldiers from Breaking the Silence. You can see more of their rules of engagement like “Kill anyone who moves” or “break into people’s homes, stay ok their roof for 16 hours, cut off the water, and assault them if they resist”
I know “Shovrim Shtika”. They are doing important work.
Like I said, there are bad apples and bad things are being done.
But it’s not everyone. And not even the majority.
When I was serving, I have never encountered a situation where any of my team members did anything like that. But I know these things exist.
In most of the cases I heard of, these things were taken very seriously inside the IDF and people were kicked out and sentenced.
Unfortunately, occupation is corrupting the soul and in recent years the cases have grown in numbers. Add to that the horrible government Israel currently has and you get a shit show.
IDF does systemic abuse and torture of Palestinians
You: there are bad apples and bad things are being done.
LOL, bad apples. Nope. It’s systemic, whether you like it or not.
I’m glad you didn’t see any of this “crap” while serving, but I highly doubt it’s not “widespread”.
There have been too many incidents of dead journalists where the IDF just denied and denied and denied until the truth came out, as usual.
I’m really sorry to know that young people are brought to join this death and apartheid machine. No one should serve in the army at 18 against their will.
That being said… don’t let your personal experience cloud your judgment. Don’t let it prevent you from seeing the systemic abuse happening, that many of your colleagues probably did, and continue to do, and are doing right now.
All I was trying to convince you is that Israel is not all evil. I can give you countless examples where Palestinians have been treated very well by Israel and by IDF soldiers.
I don’t blame you for your haitred. It’s a product of your experience. I wish you all the well and that you will find peace one day (all of us).
War is horrible and especially when Israel embeds itself inside the civilian population, killing everyone and anyone, going into a hospital to shoot people or sniping doctors from outside, people get hurt and it’s very sad.
Israel makes mistakes and have very bad policies. I am the last one to defend it.
However, IDF is not a murderous organization as you think of it. There are clear rules on how to engage in combat and strict written moral rules that everyone should follow. I know because I served there and was taught these rules and had to memorize https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/IDF_Code_of_Ethics
However, people are people. There are bad apples. People also just make mistakes and Israel has (too) many different opinions and fragments and ideologies that I have nothing in common with. So yeah it’s complicated.
Your view of Israel as one murderous genocidal entity is not different from the view a lot of Israelis have of the Palestinians, especially after October 7th, that is sad and will not bring the conflict anywhere to an end
I would recommend you check out some testimonies from IDF soldiers from Breaking the Silence. You can see more of their rules of engagement like “Kill anyone who moves” or “break into people’s homes, stay ok their roof for 16 hours, cut off the water, and assault them if they resist”
I know “Shovrim Shtika”. They are doing important work.
Like I said, there are bad apples and bad things are being done.
But it’s not everyone. And not even the majority.
When I was serving, I have never encountered a situation where any of my team members did anything like that. But I know these things exist. In most of the cases I heard of, these things were taken very seriously inside the IDF and people were kicked out and sentenced.
Unfortunately, occupation is corrupting the soul and in recent years the cases have grown in numbers. Add to that the horrible government Israel currently has and you get a shit show.
IDF does systemic abuse and torture of Palestinians
You: there are bad apples and bad things are being done.
LOL, bad apples. Nope. It’s systemic, whether you like it or not. I’m glad you didn’t see any of this “crap” while serving, but I highly doubt it’s not “widespread”.
There have been too many incidents of dead journalists where the IDF just denied and denied and denied until the truth came out, as usual.
I’m really sorry to know that young people are brought to join this death and apartheid machine. No one should serve in the army at 18 against their will.
That being said… don’t let your personal experience cloud your judgment. Don’t let it prevent you from seeing the systemic abuse happening, that many of your colleagues probably did, and continue to do, and are doing right now.
You have a very dichotomous view of this subject.
All I was trying to convince you is that Israel is not all evil. I can give you countless examples where Palestinians have been treated very well by Israel and by IDF soldiers.
I don’t blame you for your haitred. It’s a product of your experience. I wish you all the well and that you will find peace one day (all of us).
some odd good treatment does not mean that systemic abuse is not present.
I would recommend BTselem and the tens of other organizations documenting the systemic abuse of Israel.
I don’t blame you for your ignorance. It’s a product of your experience.