I agree but that issue is years away while something about this can be done right now, don’t sabotage your own movement by trying to get everything done at once, it never works.
You’re right. It’s just the double standard makes me angry. We have millions of cows and chickens tortured and slaughtered every year, and the vast majority of people don’t care. Yet dogs are seen as companion animals and not a source of food. Pigs are by far as intelligent as dogs and cats, yet everyone loves bacon.
I take back my “Shut up”. But I stand by everything else I wrote.
What makes you think that?
Because it is factually wrong. I’m informing myself about that industry for many years now. I’m not an activist vegan (because where I live that doesn’t take place), but I follow many activists and have seen a lot of videos, so I know what’s going on.
Isn’t it torture to confine mother-sows for month on hard wooden planks in spaces they can’t move at all, laying in their feces and involuntary suffocating their own piglets.
Or breeding chickens that have to give 20-30 times more eggs than their ancestors which leads to calcium deficiency and lets their backbones break.
Clipping teeth, tails and testicles of young piglets without anesthesia?
Shipping calves around the world in container ships in every weather condition without proper food and water supply, where a lot of them die and the ones surviving getting kosher butchered in Morocco?
I could go on an on. I’ve seen some shit. So sorry for being condescending but such takes just make me angry.
the intention of torture is to inflict pain or suffering, and for the subject to know why (usually punishment, to get information). the pain is the point and it is intentional.
if the practices you’re describing caused no pain or suffering, we would still do them. the pain is incidental, not intentional.
Yeah it seems my post got deleted for speaking the truth. Some can’t handle it as it seems.
Semantics and philosophy are nice and fine but don’t make a difference for the animals suffering. In lack of a better definition let’s call it violence. And it isn’t incidental but systematic.
I agree but that issue is years away while something about this can be done right now, don’t sabotage your own movement by trying to get everything done at once, it never works.
You’re right. It’s just the double standard makes me angry. We have millions of cows and chickens tortured and slaughtered every year, and the vast majority of people don’t care. Yet dogs are seen as companion animals and not a source of food. Pigs are by far as intelligent as dogs and cats, yet everyone loves bacon.
If it were up to me, factory farming would be outright banned, but it’s years away still.
I think the best hope right now is factory grown meat, once that becomes more profitable than factory farming, it’s game over.
It’s called cultured meat, fyi.
no one is torturing cows and chickens.
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you’re being condescending.
what makes you think that?
I take back my “Shut up”. But I stand by everything else I wrote.
Because it is factually wrong. I’m informing myself about that industry for many years now. I’m not an activist vegan (because where I live that doesn’t take place), but I follow many activists and have seen a lot of videos, so I know what’s going on.
Isn’t it torture to confine mother-sows for month on hard wooden planks in spaces they can’t move at all, laying in their feces and involuntary suffocating their own piglets.
Or breeding chickens that have to give 20-30 times more eggs than their ancestors which leads to calcium deficiency and lets their backbones break.
Clipping teeth, tails and testicles of young piglets without anesthesia?
Shipping calves around the world in container ships in every weather condition without proper food and water supply, where a lot of them die and the ones surviving getting kosher butchered in Morocco?
I could go on an on. I’ve seen some shit. So sorry for being condescending but such takes just make me angry.
the intention of torture is to inflict pain or suffering, and for the subject to know why (usually punishment, to get information). the pain is the point and it is intentional.
if the practices you’re describing caused no pain or suffering, we would still do them. the pain is incidental, not intentional.
Yeah it seems my post got deleted for speaking the truth. Some can’t handle it as it seems.
Semantics and philosophy are nice and fine but don’t make a difference for the animals suffering. In lack of a better definition let’s call it violence. And it isn’t incidental but systematic.
the practices are systematic. the pain is incidental.
it’s not semantics: it’s not torture.