The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.
Pretty sure Hamas, as a political entity, isn’t going to exist to reap the benefits of this newfound popularity
Hamas, any infrastructure supporting their terrorism, and any funding they move through partner nations all will cease to be within the next few months.
Gazans should focus on a party that actually gives a shit about them, going forward. Abbas is incompetent and corrupt, so perhaps they can get some new voices in politics.
If hamas stops existing another will take its place.
Terrorism does not work the same way as states do. Its a hydra.
The only way to solve this is to end the reason why it exists in the first place.
Give palestinians a viable state, stop with the settlements, allow international supervision.
If people have a job, safety, food on their plate, they tend to not be terrorists.
It’s not a guarantee that a power vacuum in an unstable state will result in another dictatorial religious-authoritarian terrorist group inserting itself into said power vacuum in a middle eastern undeveloped area?
As long as you don’t count an occurrence rate of 100% to be a guarantee, then sure.
Israel shouldn’t do a lot of things, it’s doubtful they’ll attempt to fix that. They’d rather the terrorists keep coming back, they love to kill Muslims just as much as Muslims love killing them. The two groups are both children that are constantly trying to get their big brothers into a global war over their ancient goat herder god beliefs.
I would agree. People pick the rulers that benefit them most. Hamas/other terror groups may not be the best for human rights but they haven’t been bombing everything in Palestine for the last month. I think about the USA war on terror, they “defeated” Al Queda and simultaneously caused the rise of ISIS.
It’s even more interesting: the rise of ISIS was to a large extent propelled by Al-Qaeda and ex-Iraqi military being emprisioned together in Iraq by the US when it occupied it.
Through their own use of force against Iraqis simply for doing their job in the Iraqi State, the US as an occupying power created an even worse beast than the one they put down, because doing it led them to cooperate with Al-Qaeda.
It has huge parallels with Israel as an occupying power in Palestine using unrestrained violence against people for simply being Palestinians and should inform us of just how unlikely this is to lead to the end of Hamas-like groups there.
No, it won’t give them back some of their stolen land, but settlements will start probing up, and armed raids followed by murders and mass arrests will become commonplace.
Which ones? Israel isn’t a theocracy. Israel has secular and private schools just like all free countries. Israel doesn’t steal from their people. 10/7 happened because Israel is normalizing relations, and did not succeed in ending that process, etc.
Islam is the second-largest religion in Israeli and Israeli Muslims have full rights and representation in government.
Israel is the “official state of the Jewish people” but not only a state for the Jewish people. It’s just the one that reliably won’t exterminate them.
I’m sorry do you think the terrorists did not succeed on 9/11?
Or do you perhaps think Hamas is going to exist, as a political entity, after this war? Because I assure you that Israel is quite committed to making sure that doesn’t happen.
Pretty sure Hamas, as a political entity, isn’t going to exist to reap the benefits of this newfound popularity
Hamas, any infrastructure supporting their terrorism, and any funding they move through partner nations all will cease to be within the next few months.
Gazans should focus on a party that actually gives a shit about them, going forward. Abbas is incompetent and corrupt, so perhaps they can get some new voices in politics.
If hamas stops existing another will take its place.
Terrorism does not work the same way as states do. Its a hydra.
The only way to solve this is to end the reason why it exists in the first place. Give palestinians a viable state, stop with the settlements, allow international supervision.
If people have a job, safety, food on their plate, they tend to not be terrorists.
That’s one possibility,. not a guarantee
Glad you agree with me about Gazan’s future tho
If Hamas loses, then we are looking at a second West bank.
Inshallah.
It’s not a guarantee that a power vacuum in an unstable state will result in another dictatorial religious-authoritarian terrorist group inserting itself into said power vacuum in a middle eastern undeveloped area?
As long as you don’t count an occurrence rate of 100% to be a guarantee, then sure.
This is why I think that Israel shouldn’t allow a power vacuum. “You break it, you fix it,” and this war has broken quite a lot.
Israel shouldn’t do a lot of things, it’s doubtful they’ll attempt to fix that. They’d rather the terrorists keep coming back, they love to kill Muslims just as much as Muslims love killing them. The two groups are both children that are constantly trying to get their big brothers into a global war over their ancient goat herder god beliefs.
I would agree. People pick the rulers that benefit them most. Hamas/other terror groups may not be the best for human rights but they haven’t been bombing everything in Palestine for the last month. I think about the USA war on terror, they “defeated” Al Queda and simultaneously caused the rise of ISIS.
It’s even more interesting: the rise of ISIS was to a large extent propelled by Al-Qaeda and ex-Iraqi military being emprisioned together in Iraq by the US when it occupied it.
Through their own use of force against Iraqis simply for doing their job in the Iraqi State, the US as an occupying power created an even worse beast than the one they put down, because doing it led them to cooperate with Al-Qaeda.
It has huge parallels with Israel as an occupying power in Palestine using unrestrained violence against people for simply being Palestinians and should inform us of just how unlikely this is to lead to the end of Hamas-like groups there.
Let’s assume such a party exists. What do you think they can do?
Not steal aid from Gazans and use it to fund their jihad.
Not corrupt Gazan schools.
Not run a theocratic state.
Not have the destruction of Israel as their sole goal
Normalize relations with Israel, Egypt, and Jordan
Not kidnap, torture, and kill dissidents
Build any sort of infrastructure with the money they’re given
Things like that
And how productive do you think this will be Israel intentionally keeps Gaza’s economy on the brink of collapse (by their own words).
The blockade only existed due to Hamas seizing power.
Hamas seized power because Palestinians know what “Israel” would do if they elected a peaceful government.
Yes - give them their own country for the first time in human history.
No, it won’t give them back some of their stolen land, but settlements will start probing up, and armed raids followed by murders and mass arrests will become commonplace.
No, it started 3 months before the elections. It was tightened after the Battle of Gaza.
Half of these are valid for Israel - funny isn’t it?
Which ones? Israel isn’t a theocracy. Israel has secular and private schools just like all free countries. Israel doesn’t steal from their people. 10/7 happened because Israel is normalizing relations, and did not succeed in ending that process, etc.
Sorry, but israel is a theocracy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_Law:_Israel_as_the_Nation-State_of_the_Jewish_People
You either see jewish people as a religion or a race. Therefore the state is either theocratic or, well, racist.
It’s literally a secular state lol.
Islam is the second-largest religion in Israeli and Israeli Muslims have full rights and representation in government.
Israel is the “official state of the Jewish people” but not only a state for the Jewish people. It’s just the one that reliably won’t exterminate them.
If i said: South Africa is the official state of the white people. How would you feel about it?
White people is a race, so it’s a little different. Also S.A. has a history of apartheid, so that would be worrying for them specifically.
Yeah, and Hamas wasn’t supposed to be able to attack Israel the way it did… and yet…
Yep sometimes terrorists succeed. See also, 9/11.
So you’re talking nonsense.
I’m sorry do you think the terrorists did not succeed on 9/11?
Or do you perhaps think Hamas is going to exist, as a political entity, after this war? Because I assure you that Israel is quite committed to making sure that doesn’t happen.
Israel is only committed to genocide, they are the ones that made Hamas what is today.
Strong disagree.
Oh no!