• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldEnglish
        191·
        11 months ago

        I know. It should have been a man. It’s ridiculous that the first positive queer characters on Star Trek were on Discovery. It shouldn’t have taken that long.

        • gregorumEnglish
          23·
          11 months ago

          Ira Stephen Behr and Ronald D. Moore later lamented that they didn’t push back harder against Berman and other producers for queer representation on DS9 in the DS9 documentary What We Left Behind. They notably had tried in the beginning with Garak and Bashir and were immediately shut down.

          Behr, in particular, really felt bad about it.

          Edit: Andy Robinson, who played Garak, had a real “fuck you” attitude about that and continued to play Garak as “omnisexual” anyway. There are little hints and innuendos throughout the entire entire series between him and Dr. Bashir. 

          • EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.worldEnglish
            131·
            11 months ago

            All I’m saying is they had daily lunch dates and Bashir doesn’t pursue Dax as much when Garak is around.

            • gregorumEnglish
              16·
              11 months ago

              all I’m saying is nobody gets their pants altered that often, and “your pants are ready to be picked up” is their not-very-subtle fuck code.

          • Mirshe@lemmy.worldEnglish
            3·
            11 months ago

            From what I understand, the bigger issue was that the producers thought the networks would get cagey if they went any further with queer representation. You must sadly remember that this was the 90s - not even ten years since a White House press secretary had openly laughed in a press conference about gay people dying of AIDS.

            • gregorumEnglish
              4·
              11 months ago

              The show was made for syndication, so it wasn’t airing on any particular network. It was Rick Berman that had the issue with it on Deep Space 9, and both he and Brannon Braga (aka “Bermaga”) that had an issue with it on Voyager and TNG. Both of them are known homophobes. 

              But even what happened with Ellen in 1995 and Will and Grace in 1997, didn’t make much progress on Star Trek. There was even a scene with lieutenant Hawk and his husband in Star Trek first contact that was cut per Rick Berman‘s orders. 

              edit: sorry for the multiple replies! lemmy is being weird

    • ummthatguy@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      10·
      11 months ago

      Certainly learned something from Riker. Is there a squad member she didn’t bang?

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
        4·
        11 months ago

        They have “father” and “mother” relationships on the other pages, so I’m pretty sure she didn’t. Or I have new explanation for why it was cancelled.

    • riot@lemmy.worldEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      Never heard about this show before. I see it only has one season. Do you think it’s worth watching?

      • Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social
        3·
        11 months ago

        It’s one of my favorites. It’s a dark, gritty portrayal of the military in a complex universe and deals with some pretty heavy themes.

        Though I don’t know where you’d find it legally.

        • riot@lemmy.worldEnglish
          2·
          11 months ago

          Well, I’m sold! But you’re right, it seems like it isn’t streaming anywhere, or even possible to rent it. Prices on Amazon are a little spicy too, so I may just have to put it on my list and keep a look out for it. Thanks for the recommendation!