Is there any set of circumstances where dems would ever take meaningful, organized action against The Party?

  • 420stalin69 [he/him]@hexbear.net
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    63
    ·
    edit-2
    11 months ago

    So Trump is some genius politician who is able to use the presidency to make the USA a dictatorship but widdle Biden just doin his heckin best in an unfair world, not his fault he couldn’t do even the smallest things he promised.

    Your world view requires holding two contradictory thoughts about the power of a president at the same time while mine is far simpler: Biden lied to you.

      • 420stalin69 [he/him]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        46
        ·
        edit-2
        11 months ago

        There is a much simpler and more cogent explanation than your grand conspiracy.

        Biden doesn’t actually give a shit about the issues he campaigns on and instead is all about big business and maintaining the corporate oligarchy.

        Proof: he didn’t do ANYTHING about this crypto-fascist theocracy you’re worried about so maybe just maybe you should stop believing what he says and start looking at what he does.

        And shit is anything this theocracy gonna do actually going to be worse than what Biden is supporting in Gaza? Complete moral bankruptcy. At least the nativist theocrats have an isolationist tendency.

        Saying “but Trump will be worse” is nonsense compared to Genocide Joe.

        If the theocrats are in charge already, regardless of President, like you believe then why vote for an old fool who has proven incapable of resisting them?

        Even if your world view is correct, at best he’s powerless and you should demand someone better or at worst he is complicit and just lying to gullible progressives like yourself to give you the illusion of choice.

              • SacredExcrement [any, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                44
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Own your shame, quit canning your comments.

                Joe Biden is literally the one who is running guns to Israelis right now. We know neither party will support Palestine, but we’re not delusional enough to pretend that maybe liberals will at some nebulous point down the road.

                I feel compelled to add, since you seem particularly dim, that obviously no one here likes Trump. We all want them both to swallow a 12 gauge every day they’re still alive.

                What’s that term you all love, whataboutism?

              • 420stalin69 [he/him]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                40
                ·
                edit-2
                11 months ago

                Biden the one currently supporting genocide in Gaza and using his presidential powers that you tell yourself he doesn’t have to funnel the bombs being used to commit genocide and the fact he lied about student loan forgiveness is a reason to support him?

                What the fuck is your world view? How can anything be worse than supporting what is happening to Gaza? Im an evil Trump supporter because I am against genocide? Fucking libs.

              • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.net
                link
                fedilink
                English
                arrow-up
                26
                ·
                11 months ago

                So cool - you are Trump supporter then

                Confident. In the zone. Owning these TRUMP SUPPORTERS, the worst insult you can imagine. Thinking they’re triggered and you really gottem. Having no idea what anyone is talking about and asking no questions because blind faith in your genocidal oppressors is the only way you understand politics.

      • Maoo [none/use name]@hexbear.net
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        28
        ·
        11 months ago

        No, Trump doesn’t care about our system and neither do Republicans.

        Neither do Democrats, they just use that excuse to do their feigned helplessness routine. But more importantly, who cares? “The system” is not holy, it is a nation-state and we should do everything we can to exert our collective power for liberation and human need, not worshipping “norms” or an oligarchy in robes.

        They have a majority in the court which is the main check on presidential power.

        Per the Constitution, the main check on presidential power is Congress, actually. The courts could be ignored at any time if the executive wanted to and it would be up to Congress to try and fight it.

        However, this is pointlessly hypothetical. Biden et al don’t even try to have these fights in the first place. It’s not like we’re looking at a string of successful and well-constructed policy fights that keep getting derailed at the last moment by the courts. We mostly see excuse making for why there’s no attempt or patently foolish policies intended to fail in the courts.

        Joe DID try to go around congress and got shut down by the conservative super majority.

        You’d have to list the instance you’re thinking of but if it’s student debt relief he chose an overtly stupid rationale that was known to be such from the moment it was announced. Lawyers all went, “huh, that’s stupid” and then went back to meditating megacorp takeovers.

        They won’t shut Trump down because they want America to be a Christo-fascist state.

        They shut down Trump repeatedly and kept him more or less within the same strictures. And Trump had great success in social spending using the pandemic. Oh, right, the global pandemic. Something Biden could’ve used to continue a national emergency to push through these kinds of things rather than what he actually did, which was to support the normalization of disease, a corrupt CDC leadership, and forcing people back to work in dangerous conditions.

        Joe can’t do the same because he doesn’t have a friendly court or congress right now AND he is trying to play by the rules as he isn’t a fascist dictator like Trump is trying to become.

        There are no rules lol. There’s just power and who will enforce their claims. The government ignores “the rules” all the time and avoids repercussions. You will be thrown out of your rental for back rent, with cops pointing rifles at you, during an eviction moratorium, and your hearing with the judge will go terribly for you, despite your landlord, the cops, and the judge all breaking the law.

        Anyways, Biden had Congress for half his term and did bad shit with it.

        Last I heard, Democrats still do. So it’s an Apples and Oranges comparison. If Biden had the governmental situation Trump would in a second term, he could do what you propose - if he wanted to embrace authoritarianism.

        Define authoritarianism without looking it up. Scout’s honor.