Honestly, MLs tend to do this with a lot of convos, I feel.

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    I mean yes both Dems and Republicans are capitalist imperialists who are never reformable and will forever be capitalist imperialists, however while the revolution hasn’t happened yet it is important to vote Dems which takes barely any effort.

    Conservatives straight up are threatening the lives of minority groups and LGBTQ on an entirely different scale than democrats and life for me as a minority living in the US has gotten significantly worse since trump.

    It is idealistic to just not vote or vote for some 3rd party that never wins while real shit has been ramping up for people like me from the republican side (and yes I know Dems do it too and are also bigoted racists but again Republicans do it on a whole nother scale).

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        They materially exist to at least slow down the more extreme racist and bigoted narratives and policies being pushed by Republicans. If democrats didn’t exist and this nations as purely Republicans we would be seeing the LGBTQ community being thrown in camps already.

        Let’s go with your theory that voting doesn’t stop or alleviate any issues. Republican power has only been growing due to worsening conditions, and fascism is preferable to socialism in the eyes of the majority of the brainwashed reactionaries living here. We don’t help vote cause “voting doesn’t matter” and let Republicans win over and take every seat. The spineless dem will give in and join their side, and now we got a race of who can get more extreme right.

        By the way conservatives are much more likely to vote than disillusioned Democrats. And they will vote in droves for their fascist leaders.

        You already see this in republican circles already where they have really started sliding further right at an unprecedented scale. And just look at all the policies being passed in Florida, it is not looking good.

        Anyone who thinks worsening conditions will lead to a communist revolution over a fascist one is not paying attention to the reactionary preference for fascism in this nation.

        This does not bode well for marginalized communities. You may not give a shit but I do, as my own life has been severely negatively impacted ever since the trump presidency.

        The only people who would have no fear of a republican take over are straight and white.

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      If the left guarantees dems our votes then they will only move further right to get anti-trump right-wingers’ reluctant votes. They will only be pressured to not be as bad as republicans if we pressure them by not “voting blue no matter who.”

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        That’s purely speculation. I can also speculate that by letting Republicans win, the spineless Dems are just gonna join the winning side and swap over. Plenty have already done so or became libertarians who are just mini republicans. If popular support is on the side of the more extreme right then everyone moves further right. You can literally see this effect in CNN where they have increasingly worse narratives sliding towards the fascist right.

        By the way the same Republicans are portraying the LGBTQ community as associated with groomers and also happen to have the gun nuts on their side. At least democrats don’t actively do that. Republicans have been sliding real fast towards an even more extreme right ever since the trump presidency.

        But sure both are equal and let’s not vote and let Republicans win every seat. Definitely not gona have a worsening affect marginalized communities.

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                You literally refuse to backoff of the point that voting doesn’t matter or that we shouldn’t vote dem over republican so by all means vote republican.

                Since as you say in your argument it doesn’t matter and that Dems are just as bad. Explain to me how it matters based on your arguments so far.

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                    Does voting matter or not? Does voting dem over Republicans matter or not? You keep on writing essays on how bad democrats are and yes they are as I said imperialists still and I never supported voting communism into office and only revolutions can achieve it. But all I am saying is that in the mean time, taking 10min to vote dem over Republicans will at best alleviate worse situations or at worse as you say do nothing so why not do it?

                    What exactly are you trying to argue for?