Is it safe to assume a significant portion of creators are in that threshold? 3-5 dolors from a lot of people for the biggest company in music streaming. I think Spoity nickel and diming a bunch of smaller creators is the real financial problem.
To determine where you draw the line I make small steps towards Spoity. If a Mafia gang member spells it out that you need to pay X every month or else while you live in this town, is it theft? You can just move away, do you have the power?
I believe my comment above was removed for the Oblivion guard line where if you are caught stealing you must pay a fine go to jail and if you refuse then you will be struck down. He does this even if you take something of little value. We all start earning at a low threshold for our creative works, those 3-5 dolors may be more important to them than you appear to value them. To me it’s more important than taking 1000 from a big creator…
If the question is whether they should pay them, I agree they should. This is obviously an attempt to make more money.
But the question is whether this is comparable to theft. I think your reference to piracy, which you abruptly dropped, shows you agree with me. If piracy isn’t theft, when that is taking their content involuntarily without compensation, and then certainly providing you voluntarily providing your content understanding you won’t get compensated isn’t theft. So is privacy theft?
Also, comparing it to the mob shaking you down for money makes no sense. You don’t voluntarily enter into that agreement. With Spotify, you can either view the exposure as a good thing for you, and leave it and make no money from it, or you can view it as wrong to you and remove it, and make no money from it. Either way the outcome is the same for you, and it’s your choice what to do. For the mob, you either have to pay them money, move, or be harassed (or worse). I can’t fathom why this was brought up as an example to prove the point.
I don’t consider “internet piracy” as stealing because it is copying. In an age where it is easy for anyone to copy then the expectation to have a temporary monopoly on distribution, as if it were a physical good, is unintelligible.
The point is “voluntarily” is more nuanced than merely people agreeing to it. I consider people free to choose when Spotify would get laughed at every single time. Instead it’s sometimes an offer you can’t refuse, either out of desperation or because they are ignorant of how they are being exploited.
The point is “voluntarily” is more nuanced than merely people agreeing to it.
Sure. I can agree to that. But in this case, there’s really no nuance.
What’s really “unintelligible” here is claiming it is theft when they voluntarily enter into the agreement where they don’t get paid for their music (spotify), but it’s not theft when they are involuntarily put into a position where they aren’t getting paid for their music (piracy).
I actually find it kind of funny to read someone defending piracy while at the same time trying to attack Spotify as a thief for this policy.
Is it safe to assume a significant portion of creators are in that threshold? 3-5 dolors from a lot of people for the biggest company in music streaming. I think Spoity nickel and diming a bunch of smaller creators is the real financial problem.
To determine where you draw the line I make small steps towards Spoity. If a Mafia gang member spells it out that you need to pay X every month or else while you live in this town, is it theft? You can just move away, do you have the power?
I believe my comment above was removed for the Oblivion guard line where if you are caught stealing you must pay a fine go to jail and if you refuse then you will be struck down. He does this even if you take something of little value. We all start earning at a low threshold for our creative works, those 3-5 dolors may be more important to them than you appear to value them. To me it’s more important than taking 1000 from a big creator…
If the question is whether they should pay them, I agree they should. This is obviously an attempt to make more money.
But the question is whether this is comparable to theft. I think your reference to piracy, which you abruptly dropped, shows you agree with me. If piracy isn’t theft, when that is taking their content involuntarily without compensation, and then certainly providing you voluntarily providing your content understanding you won’t get compensated isn’t theft. So is privacy theft?
Also, comparing it to the mob shaking you down for money makes no sense. You don’t voluntarily enter into that agreement. With Spotify, you can either view the exposure as a good thing for you, and leave it and make no money from it, or you can view it as wrong to you and remove it, and make no money from it. Either way the outcome is the same for you, and it’s your choice what to do. For the mob, you either have to pay them money, move, or be harassed (or worse). I can’t fathom why this was brought up as an example to prove the point.
I don’t consider “internet piracy” as stealing because it is copying. In an age where it is easy for anyone to copy then the expectation to have a temporary monopoly on distribution, as if it were a physical good, is unintelligible.
The point is “voluntarily” is more nuanced than merely people agreeing to it. I consider people free to choose when Spotify would get laughed at every single time. Instead it’s sometimes an offer you can’t refuse, either out of desperation or because they are ignorant of how they are being exploited.
Sure. I can agree to that. But in this case, there’s really no nuance.
What’s really “unintelligible” here is claiming it is theft when they voluntarily enter into the agreement where they don’t get paid for their music (spotify), but it’s not theft when they are involuntarily put into a position where they aren’t getting paid for their music (piracy).
I actually find it kind of funny to read someone defending piracy while at the same time trying to attack Spotify as a thief for this policy.