7th>Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him?
So no one here agrees with accelerationism. But I genuinely beleive that people like you will only take action when you are personally affected. You will not take action or even apeak out against your guy because “the other guy will do worse”. But see, I think democrats will actually fight harder against fascism if they arent busy defending the guy upholding it it.
You live in a country that had NO alternative to genocide, you say so yourself. Does that sound like a democracy? Why should I care about voting if its not a democracy?
What are you planning to do to enact the change YOU want to see?
Trying to get people to realize that the hamsterwheel they are running in will kill us all regardless if the head guy is orange or not. My only real skill is being able to educate others.
What are YOU gonna do besides :vote: for 99% hilter over 100% hitler? If things are as bad as you say they are (imo they’re worse), and thats your ONLY plan. Then from the bottom of my heart, fuck off.
people like you will only take action when you are personally affected.
People like me? You don’t know a whole lot about me. I am a 30 something father of 2 who works every day to try and get people to realize the bullshit we are in. I think Biden is an old out of touch asshole in league with big corpo as are all the rest of the Democrats except maybe a few in current fed government. I also know for a fact that our socialist policies are being tanked on purpose by both sides in a lot of ways in order to make communism seem misguided at best and evil at worst by comparison.
What I want more than anything is for my kids and their friends, and the rest of humanity for that matter to grow up in a stable and healthy environment.
How I feel right now though is that we have a million fires burning right now, between rampant fascism, genocide, misplaced hate and dehumanization of minorities, not to mention end stage capitalism gobbling up the base that supports it and a climate that will destroy us because we cannot make headway to save ourselves because of these big corporations and rich fucks.
But more than anything right now, I don’t want my kids to be fatherless because I disagree with an orange man. I don’t disagree with any of your thoughts about where we are and how the world is, and I also know and hate that a vote for Biden is a vote for support of the IDF’s killing of Palestinians, but allowing Trump to win won’t change that, all it will do is bring additional fascist policies further into the open and bring them right here.
What would you do in my position? As a parent to children who have no part in any of this shit? I don’t defend Biden. At all. All human life is sacred, and I will continue to do what I can to stop killing wherever it might happen. Including the US.
Who says this is a democracy? Reagan, Citizens United and so on have gotten rid of that.
I think Biden is an old out of touch asshole in league with big corpo as are all the rest of the Democrats except maybe a few in current fed government. I also know for a fact that our socialist policies are being tanked on purpose by both sides in a lot of ways in order to make communism seem misguided at best and evil at worst by comparison.
You’re absolutely right about this and I’m glad you understand what many, many liberals fail to get. And what’s sad is that even the few dems that aren’t completely in bourgeois pockets are either ineffectual or get bullied into falling in line with the rest of the party (ie your Bernies and AOCs)
What I want more than anything is for my kids and their friends, and the rest of humanity for that matter to grow up in a stable and healthy environment.
The depressing reality is that as the contradictions of capitalism continue heighten and give way to outright fascism, the environment they know now is only going to get worse and worse. So long as your previous point remains true, the material conditions of the US with only degrade, not improve. “The master’s tools cannot dismantle the master’s house”
Trump’s and Biden’s records on, for example, LGBT rights, are essentially the same, Trump is just much louder about his disdain because it gets the hogs in his support base frothing at the mouth. Trump promised to build the wall but Biden’s actually built more of it than he did. Liberals love to point to the chud-majority Supreme Court as an example of why we must Vote Blue No Matter Who while ignoring that RBG was too arrogant to retire under Obama when it actually made sense to, which may have saved Roe v Wade. The entire system of governance built over 200 years ago by wealthy genociding white slaveowners is never going to produce a candidate that actually makes life better for the average American, which is why we believe it must be dismantled entirely.
I refuse to support any candidate that promises “nothing will fundamentally change”, especially when that’s the only promise of his Biden has actually made good on. There’s no reason to believe he won’t just roll over and let the chuds keep dismantling every semblance of minority rights, and even join in with them at times, so he will not get my vote. And this is all aside from his explicit support of genocide in Palestine, which was already reason enough to fully condemn him.
You agree that this isn’t a democracy, but you’re worrying about who communists will vote for? Have you considered that your worldview is completely incoherent?
How I feel right now though is that we have a million fires burning right now, between rampant fascism, genocide, misplaced hate and dehumanization of minorities, not to mention end stage capitalism gobbling up the base that supports it and a climate that will destroy us because we cannot make headway to save ourselves because of these big corporations and rich fucks.
And Biden hasn’t done a single goddamn thing to fix literally any of those things.
supporting butcher biden is not the only way to prevent trump’s election. Biden could heel-turn (not just make empty promises of one after the election), the democrats could run someone else who doesn’t murder children. how the fuck is it our responsibility to make the democrats win an election they’re not trying to win themselves?
Im sorry and it sucks, but the future timeline where we live in peace, where our children get to enjoy peace, was stolen from us long ago.
If you think the systems at play wont take you away from your kids because a dem(that you still disagree with) is in the whitehouse, I must warn you to be much more careful.
Also lol this country was NEVER a democracy. There has never been proper representation.
Your nation is terminal. The only way out is for it to collapse. My only wish is for it to end relatively peacefully and not in nuclear flame. But I hope to one day wake up and see “The United States of America” be referred to in past tense. Like “The Roman Empire” or “The Ottoman Empire” or “CHAZ”.
Sincerely you need to vote third party and pray that enough of your compatriots come to the same conclusion that it will have a meaningful impact.
Similarly, you can try as you can to withdraw from the system by consuming less / more thoughtfully, even growing your own food, and also pray that enough of your compatriots do the same that it will have a meaningful impact. The start would be to participate in boycotts, and upon realising that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, do your best to boycott everything else. Within reason. You have yourself and your family to look after and your happiness is important.
You can also give your money / attention to other orgs / communities such as legal defence for BLM, get involved with unions or give your support to those who do. This is I think what people mean when they say organise.
I understand your perspective but you are still in danger under Biden. Not only does your vote literally not matter because the system is rigged but even if you somehow managed to elect Biden he will just continue to let the right take away more of your rights without doing anything about it like they did during this term. That’s where the problem in your reasoning is, electing Biden won’t hold back the right, they will get what they want regardless. The only thing that can truly help is organizing to protect yourself and others like you.
7th>Are you ok with a man who has no problem calling for a genocide of his own right here in the US as well as hunting down and killing/hauling people for disagreeing with him?
So no one here agrees with accelerationism. But I genuinely beleive that people like you will only take action when you are personally affected. You will not take action or even apeak out against your guy because “the other guy will do worse”. But see, I think democrats will actually fight harder against fascism if they arent busy defending the guy upholding it it.
You live in a country that had NO alternative to genocide, you say so yourself. Does that sound like a democracy? Why should I care about voting if its not a democracy?
Trying to get people to realize that the hamsterwheel they are running in will kill us all regardless if the head guy is orange or not. My only real skill is being able to educate others.
What are YOU gonna do besides :vote: for 99% hilter over 100% hitler? If things are as bad as you say they are (imo they’re worse), and thats your ONLY plan. Then from the bottom of my heart, fuck off.
people like you will only take action when you are personally affected.
People like me? You don’t know a whole lot about me. I am a 30 something father of 2 who works every day to try and get people to realize the bullshit we are in. I think Biden is an old out of touch asshole in league with big corpo as are all the rest of the Democrats except maybe a few in current fed government. I also know for a fact that our socialist policies are being tanked on purpose by both sides in a lot of ways in order to make communism seem misguided at best and evil at worst by comparison.
What I want more than anything is for my kids and their friends, and the rest of humanity for that matter to grow up in a stable and healthy environment.
How I feel right now though is that we have a million fires burning right now, between rampant fascism, genocide, misplaced hate and dehumanization of minorities, not to mention end stage capitalism gobbling up the base that supports it and a climate that will destroy us because we cannot make headway to save ourselves because of these big corporations and rich fucks.
But more than anything right now, I don’t want my kids to be fatherless because I disagree with an orange man. I don’t disagree with any of your thoughts about where we are and how the world is, and I also know and hate that a vote for Biden is a vote for support of the IDF’s killing of Palestinians, but allowing Trump to win won’t change that, all it will do is bring additional fascist policies further into the open and bring them right here.
What would you do in my position? As a parent to children who have no part in any of this shit? I don’t defend Biden. At all. All human life is sacred, and I will continue to do what I can to stop killing wherever it might happen. Including the US.
Who says this is a democracy? Reagan, Citizens United and so on have gotten rid of that.
Thank you for your perspective.
You’re absolutely right about this and I’m glad you understand what many, many liberals fail to get. And what’s sad is that even the few dems that aren’t completely in bourgeois pockets are either ineffectual or get bullied into falling in line with the rest of the party (ie your Bernies and AOCs)
The depressing reality is that as the contradictions of capitalism continue heighten and give way to outright fascism, the environment they know now is only going to get worse and worse. So long as your previous point remains true, the material conditions of the US with only degrade, not improve. “The master’s tools cannot dismantle the master’s house”
Trump’s and Biden’s records on, for example, LGBT rights, are essentially the same, Trump is just much louder about his disdain because it gets the hogs in his support base frothing at the mouth. Trump promised to build the wall but Biden’s actually built more of it than he did. Liberals love to point to the chud-majority Supreme Court as an example of why we must Vote Blue No Matter Who while ignoring that RBG was too arrogant to retire under Obama when it actually made sense to, which may have saved Roe v Wade. The entire system of governance built over 200 years ago by wealthy genociding white slaveowners is never going to produce a candidate that actually makes life better for the average American, which is why we believe it must be dismantled entirely.
I refuse to support any candidate that promises “nothing will fundamentally change”, especially when that’s the only promise of his Biden has actually made good on. There’s no reason to believe he won’t just roll over and let the chuds keep dismantling every semblance of minority rights, and even join in with them at times, so he will not get my vote. And this is all aside from his explicit support of genocide in Palestine, which was already reason enough to fully condemn him.
You agree that this isn’t a democracy, but you’re worrying about who communists will vote for? Have you considered that your worldview is completely incoherent?
And Biden hasn’t done a single goddamn thing to fix literally any of those things.
supporting butcher biden is not the only way to prevent trump’s election. Biden could heel-turn (not just make empty promises of one after the election), the democrats could run someone else who doesn’t murder children. how the fuck is it our responsibility to make the democrats win an election they’re not trying to win themselves?
Im sorry and it sucks, but the future timeline where we live in peace, where our children get to enjoy peace, was stolen from us long ago.
If you think the systems at play wont take you away from your kids because a dem(that you still disagree with) is in the whitehouse, I must warn you to be much more careful.
Also lol this country was NEVER a democracy. There has never been proper representation.
Your nation is terminal. The only way out is for it to collapse. My only wish is for it to end relatively peacefully and not in nuclear flame. But I hope to one day wake up and see “The United States of America” be referred to in past tense. Like “The Roman Empire” or “The Ottoman Empire” or “CHAZ”.
Sincerely you need to vote third party and pray that enough of your compatriots come to the same conclusion that it will have a meaningful impact.
Similarly, you can try as you can to withdraw from the system by consuming less / more thoughtfully, even growing your own food, and also pray that enough of your compatriots do the same that it will have a meaningful impact. The start would be to participate in boycotts, and upon realising that there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, do your best to boycott everything else. Within reason. You have yourself and your family to look after and your happiness is important.
You can also give your money / attention to other orgs / communities such as legal defence for BLM, get involved with unions or give your support to those who do. This is I think what people mean when they say organise.
I understand your perspective but you are still in danger under Biden. Not only does your vote literally not matter because the system is rigged but even if you somehow managed to elect Biden he will just continue to let the right take away more of your rights without doing anything about it like they did during this term. That’s where the problem in your reasoning is, electing Biden won’t hold back the right, they will get what they want regardless. The only thing that can truly help is organizing to protect yourself and others like you.