This is the same kind of language employed by far right assholes everywhere.
“If you don’t like it, go back to $countryTheyAssumeYouCameFrom”, yup. Just a further blurring of the lines between blue and red. By 2032, it’ll just be varying shades of purple, and most of them will be angled toward the fuchsia end.
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It wasn’t a “zinger”, I was drawing an equivalence between this lady’s “go back to China” rhetoric and the language of the far right where anyone who doesn’t toe the line is accused of being a foreign agent.
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The absolute disregard for Palestinian lives.
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Lol, I’m not American. I’m just pointing out the comment from pelosi doesn’t make sense. It adds to the reasons why it might be fake news.
Attributing a comment like that to her works against her in 2 ways. It alienates those americans who would otherwise support Democrats as she appears to be supporting genocide and being racist, out of context.
It also links China to the Democrats for those on the other side, who aren’t watching carefully for nuance.
It’s not a case of countries good or bad, it’s a case of understanding their motives.
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So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.
Just another data point indicating that I have never actually been American, and I should have no loyalty to it.
As an indigenous person, duh.
You just have to look at US history to know that we’re pro genocide. Hell, we were doing it just a few years ago to asylum seekers.
Doing it a few years ago? The camps are still open…
So I guess genocide is an American value, and if you oppose genocide then you’re unamerican.
Settlers built this country off inordinate amounts of slavery and genocide; this has always been the score. Why do you think they’re so gung-ho, brook-no-dissent about genociding Palestine? Israelis are just Junior Americans at this point.
That’s what I’ve been telling people who say “I won’t vote for someone who supports genocide:” This is America. All our politicians support genocide. That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.
If you want to vote for someone who isn’t pro-genocide you’re gonna have to move, or get used to never, ever, ever getting what you want.
Yes, it sucks. But there’s literally nothing we can do about it unless you want to get a degree in physics and build a time machine and sink Columbus’s boat before he sights land.
I just write-in at this point, every single time. As many members of the Wu-Tang Clan as I can remember for however many slots there are. Because I staunchly am a “no genocide” voter-- and there’s nothing that brings me more pleasure come election season anymore than cheesing in the mugs of every settler liberal, elephant-red or ass-blue, who thought they could cudgel a pencil-whip for their mass murderer of choice out of me.
Might transition to writing in Dipset members though.
That and “more jobs” are the only things both parties agree on.
They only agree on that in public, while in private (with a few exceptions) they are fine with the Federal Reserve raising interest rates to induce layoffs to ensure workers are too scared of losing their jobs to demand raises.
I served in the Army and I think this country is a festering shithole of privilege and corruption. I don’t stand for the stupid national anthem, ever.
I stand, but I sing The Internationale instead.
How convenient for dem leadership that anyone who disagrees with them is actually a foreign agent.
So there’s articles now about her calling them both Chinese and Russian agents for protesting. Nice job, grandma.
Then she doubles back and said she’s actually calling for a cease fire too…
But what she’s really asking for is a complete surrender of Gaza.
Like when idiots say the invasion of Ukraine needs to end, so Ukraine needs to surrender.
If your call for a cease fire is the victim to surrender to the aggressor, that’s not a cease fire, it’s you being on the bad guys side.
Might have something to do with this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/03/technology/israel-hamas-information-war.html
In case of paywall:
What she said isn’t as absurd as it seems.
Is the article you linked implying that criticism of Israel is just anti-American propaganda? That the people criticizing Israel just don’t know what they’re talking about?
The article you linked is an article from early November 2023. This article from NPR, published on the same day as the NYT article you linked, talks about Israel invading North Gaza with a force too small to occupy the city. The authors wonder how such a small ground force could be used to hold and control the city.
As it turns out, the IDF had no plans of holding it. They planned to erase it.
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Literally in the Israeli Times article you linked:
We are both killing the terrorists who participated and killing the terrorists who will want to commit terror in the future,” Halevi told troops and commanders of the 5th Reserve Brigade
This is some Minority Report shit. Israel must have some psychics in their “Precrime” Police devision.
Like, are we all too desensitized to the insane shit being said that this is somehow normal and ok to just be published without comment in a newspaper?
The Dems and Dem-aligned corporate media have spent the last eight years pushing Russiagate conspiracy theories, and now they’re expanding BlueAnon to include China because the US is itching to ramp up Cold War II.
People seem to be mad about what you’ve said based on the votes, but you’re right. Russiagate in 2016 was a nothingburger and democrats have been riding it for the past 8 years: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/01/09/russian-trolls-twitter-had-little-influence-2016-voters/
Wait, are you denying Russian and Chinese interference?
Shh. Don’t bring up the reason why she said what she did ( although not very well ). That would make this thread sound a tad bit … misleading.
Yeah, the only reason anyone would be against the senseless murder of civilians is if they’ve been duped by foreign propaganda.
Because Americans can’t possibly have a problem with genocide, because genocide is what made this country great.
Sure, we all agree that’s not the case. But boiling down a giant discussion that has many layers and important points is short sided and over simplified. The new American way.
Btw, it’s kinda hilarious when people run through your history and downvote everything you posted. Who the fuck cares about internet points that much. Wow. Not saying you did, but it’s weird how no one wants to let anyone have a discussion.
Ugh, I get that sometimes, too. So petty and childish. Especially on the fediverse where you don’t automtically upvote your own post.
This you?
This happened more than five minutes ago so she forgot. Consequences of having an entire government filled with dementia ridden corpses. What can you do?🤷♀️
100% against the genocide in Palestine and think our representatives should be doing everything they can to stop supporting it but this video is clearly edited. Pelosi’s mouth is moving basically the whole video yet you can hear absolutely nothing from her except the very end when she gets into the suv. You can very faintly hear the “go back to China” line. However if you look at her mouth it’s not matching up with it at all. Someone clearly dubbed audio over video to make it sound like something it wasn’t.
So she’s not just an asshole, but bad at geography too. Got it.
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Kinda like you’re unable to recognize fake dubs.
If she stays in much longer, she’ll be the Democrats’ Mitch McTurdle.
Is there any indication that this desperate ploy to reframe any criticism of Israel’s genocide in Gaza or recognition of innocent Palestinians’ basic humanity and rights as purely foreign propaganda is working at all? It’s absolutely craven
How do these guys fuck up sitters every day. I’m not a yank but you fucks export all your rhetoric and issues anyway so can you get your shit together please.
This old bag of bones needs to fuck off, get out and vote for Christ’s sake.
I’m voting twice this year
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Based anti-imperalist, class traitor Neville Roy Singham is based.
I remember that garbage NYT hit piece from last year. Global North corporate media gotta push the new cold war. Before that article it was secret Chinese police stations in NYC, and before that it was Chinese spy balloons. Burgerlanders will believe anything.
Your claim is that China is supporting… A grassroots feminist movement? Abortion? Palestine?
The horror.
I don’t think this post should have been removed. I wanted to see arguments and rebuttals being made.
You can still see it in the modlog, but generally it’s not a good idea to roll in the mud. Your mental health is worth far more than that.
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I guess liberals cannot be upset that people against the genocide didn’t vote for them. They are all Chinese according to them.
I’m a bit confused by this:
“For [the pro-Palestinian protesters] to call for a cease-fire is Mr. Putin’s message, Mr. Putin’s message. Make no mistake, this is directly connected to what he would like to see.
Let’s just put aside the fact that asking for a ceasefire for most people is a humanitarian request. You don’t need to have picked a side to accept that the ordinary people need some kind of help getting to safety (or relative safety). I’m not commenting on that here though.
It may be that I’m missing something obvious, in which case fine. But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin? I would say that any instability elsewhere in the world (Gaza, Houthi rebels, the Iran Pakistan thing the other week) work entirely in his favour. While the west (and some of the rest of the world) need to move to stabilise problems aside from the war in Ukraine, they have less time, resources to spend checking up on his activities in Ukraine. The media time is split away from what’s happening over there and of course, military budget is redirected away from arms for Ukraine, to operations in these other regions and arms for Israel.
I must be missing something, right?
But, how does a cease-fire in Gaza benefit Putin?
It doesn’t. A ceasefire in Gaza means the US wouldn’t need to send ammunitions to Israel to massacre Palestinians, freeing more supplies to be sent to Ukraine to fight Russia.
The conflict continuing and spreading across the region and getting the US stuck in the Middle East distracting it from Ukraine though, does help Putin. So, this leaves us with a logical conclusion, Pelosi is either a Russian-asset or just relishes in genociding Palestinians.
However, Israel is buying ammunition (at least with an IOU), whereas Ukraine is just receiving charity. From that perspective, it’s easy to see why politicians are more willing to support Israel than Ukraine.
If it turns out in a few years time that Russia leant on Iran to lean on various Middle East actors to stir up trouble at that exact point to distract from Ukraine, you can colour me unsurprised.
Because Zionist usurpers don’t give Palestinians enough reasons to resist? I’m not even Palestinians and I wish I could fight.
We need to pass a constitutional amendment that sets the maximum age to hold public office (including judges) to 67 years old. You can do whatever you want past 67, but you can’t hold public office.
Read the room, Nancy!
Copying my comment from elsewhere in this thread:
Individual encounters may have to do with the declining mental faculties of geriatrics, but the superstructure of the capitalist class (who are the ones pushing the stories about foreign interference and terrorists and red/yellow/brown scare all that pro-empire propaganda) that must change. Voting in yet another capitalist sponsored imperialist drum beater (the only type of candidate that’s allowed to run for election) who’s a bit younger than these should-be seniors home residents won’t change anything at all. Pointing the finger at the advanced age of elected officials is a distraction, simple as that.
Yeah it may not help buy it couldn’t hurt.
Term limits too
One thing at a time, or itll never happen
If you like having novices in government, sure
I’d rather have a novice who has a chance of supporting something good than an old hand using their experience to enact genocide.
What’s the other option? Let them stay for life?
The issue isn’t lack of experience, it’s that never having to worry about losing the job makes them useless. Watch how fast they get shit done that directly affects them, it was never about lack of ability, the current politicians are just intentionally useless because they all benefit from the status remaining quo.
Just a maximum age is plenty
I think this thread and the lack of people both fundamentally misunderstanding and failing to fact check the article indicates that young people can be plenty stupid.
The fuck it is, if 8 years is enough for the president it’s enough for Congress, Senators, and the SC Justices.
If we can pass down the office of president every 8 years there’s no reason we can’t do the same elsewhere, does it take a decade to learn how to vote or something? Are we lacking in judges?
There are other levels of office, there isn’t going to be a shortage of experience just because we require term limits. Even if there was I’d prefer an inexperienced person than someone who sits on their hands all day and just votes according to their oligarchical masters whims.
https://www.brookings.edu/articles/five-reasons-to-oppose-congressional-term-limits/
This article has a pretty good explanation of why term limits causes more problems than it solves.
Beats having the same imperialist ghouls for entire generations. ‘Experience’ means jack-shit when the aim of ‘career politicians’ is to stay on the gravy train by any means necessary.
