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  • Funny, this is the problem with monarchy that drove western civilization to stop that nonsense. You can have the efforts of ten great (or at least mediocre) kings spoiled by one Joffrey or John of England.

    It’s how nations established constitutional monarchies and eventually republics.

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      Yeah, but democracy in companies fundamentally can’t work. Sure, co-ops are usually more successful and have happier workers, but that can’t work. We NEED autocracy in companies. Nothing else works. Believe me. It can’t work, and if it works it’s not real.

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      You get His Majesty’s name out of your mouth!

      (John was one of the better kings, but all of them were awful. He was better than his brother tho, lionheart was a terrible king, don’t believe the propaganda.)

      • Wasn’t John forced at swordpoint to sign the Magna Carta… several times, rather, after betraying the previous version, each time expending more lives of his loyalists?

        Richard was awful, yes, but John is conspicuously first and last of his name, which, for my point, screams Don’t be that guy.

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          Oh he wasn’t good (less terrible) for signing the Magna Carta, which wasn’t even that important at the time, but more because his competition is worse. And yeah, no one named after him, but that’s only relative to other monarchs - as in, he was bad to the royals. Failing at being a king can make you a good king, depending on how you’re judging it. Nobles thought he was a prick, but they were, so it’s like 6 of one. For example, he reformed the legal system which took power away from barons (which obviously favoured him), which was very popular with lower classes, as they could since seek justice against their barons (who were previously the ones overseeing those cases).

          My opening line was mainly a joke, I don’t like any monarchs, but the idea he was particularly bad is… contentious