The Hundred Years’ War on Palestine
A History of Settler Colonial Conquest and Resistance, 1917-2017 by Rashid Khalidi
A landmark history of one hundred years of war waged against the Palestinians from the foremost US historian of the Middle East, told through pivotal events and family history.
@Kirilov @gimulnautti @KarunaX @ymishory @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine
These textbook examples do not apply here, for the reason I mentioned.
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe “An argument from authority, also called an appeal to authority, or argumentum ad verecundiam, is a form of argument in which the opinion of an influential figure is used as evidence to support an argument.
All sources agree this is not a valid form of logical proof, that is to say, that this is a logical fallacy”
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social
Uh, no. You’ve excluded the most important part:
>(…) of someone who is taken to be an authority but is not really an authority.
The definition you took from Wikipedia actually does not reflect its source.
<If (…) we try to [impress the reader] with a famous name or by appealing to a supposed authority who really isn’t much of an expert, (…)
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
@wrack@sueden.social @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe Did you read the next sentence? “Similarly, when there is controversy, and authorities are divided, it is an error to base one’s view on the authority of just some of them”
@Kirilov @wrack @gimulnautti @ymishory @appassionato @palestine
Yes, I did. Why? You wish to change the subject and discuss confirmation bias now?
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @wrack@sueden.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @palestine@a.gup.pe Lol so you used a puppet account to intentionally act in bad faith and take a quote out of context? Wtf is wrong with you?
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe Can I note that Khalid’s book is not offering “opinion”, but a thesis based in evidence. And I did not refer to Khalid so as to use an “influential figure” to support an argument. The argument is FROM Khalid’s work.
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
Argumentum ad populum and fallacy of authority are not the same, you pompous prick.
You are making general opinions on a book you haven’t read, based only in your inability to grasp the title.
3.You wouldn’t call a book titled “History of World War 2” biased. Why do you call a book that tells the story of the 100 years resistance to colonialism in Palestine biased? It was a war, by any definition
@argumento@hispagatos.space @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe They both apply. I have absolutely read Khalidi. It’s a fine text but that is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about logical fallacies.
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
I don’t want to converse about logical fallacies. I’m more interested in debating the correctness of Khalidi’s title, which was the topic a few posts back, when you jumped in.
@Kirilov @argumento @gimulnautti @KarunaX @ymishory @appassionato @bookstodon @palestine
Yes, and saying you expect a rigorous work from an historian with good academic credentials is not a logical fallacy.
If we followed your logic, we should discard all opinions coming from experts renowned in their particular field, because that would be an appeal to authority.
Basing one’s assessment on solid work is not the same as citing a public figure with no expert knowledge on the issue.
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @argumento@hispagatos.space @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe It is clear you don’t understand how logical fallacies work. I implore you to read about them.
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
Why don’t you illuminate us with an explanation of how a fallacy of authority fits the statement “I know Rashid Khalidi has good academic credentials as an historian, I expect his work to be rigorous”. I’d be delighted to read your explanation.
@argumento@hispagatos.space @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/fallacies/index.html
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @argumento@hispagatos.space @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
You implore me, I comply. The link you provided say the same thing I just told you, the logical fallacy you mention consists in appealing to people with no expert knowledge on the issue, and therefore does not apply to this particular case, as I keep telling you, since Khalidi is a qualified expert.
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @Alexandrad1@mas.to @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
I don’t want a link bro. Don’t be a coward, defend your point with your own words. I dare you.
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe ‘appeal to accomplishment (also known as appeal to success) is a logical fallacy that occurs when an argument is defended from criticism based upon the level of accomplishment of the individual making the argument’
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe Yes - these logical fallacies do obviously apply here.
@Kirilov@kolektiva.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe
If they did, you could easily demonstrate it, since it’s logic, instead of just claiming there is a logical fallacy.
Karuna said he expected a rigorous work, because the author is known to produce rigorous work. That’s perfect logic.
@Alexandrad1@mas.to @Kirilov@kolektiva.social @gimulnautti@mastodon.green @KarunaX@mastodon.world @ymishory@tooot.im @appassionato@mastodon.social @bookstodon@a.gup.pe @palestine@a.gup.pe You are so obviously wrong. I am embarrassed for you.