• Linkerbaan@lemmy.worldOP
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    9 months ago

    Where does your 8000 number come from? So far we have not seen any credible claims of how many Combatants were killed.

    We only know that 2/3 people killed by israel are women and children. Which means the civilian casualty ratio is likely far higher.

    By the way the civilian casualty ratio on Oct7 was 2:1, even including all the civilians killed by the IDF. Do you praise Hamas?

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      Same place the 27000 comes from. Intelligence reporting from the region.

      The 2/3rds women and children…how many of those children were fighters? You’ve gotta be really fucking stupid to accept that the under 18 crowd there isn’t taking up arms, we’ve got hours of footage direct from Hamas and UNRWA proving otherwise.

      That you’re conflating the attack that started this war with the response, that you’re comparing reservists pulled from their beds and taken hostage to the Palestinians using 5 year olds as human shields really does show your ignorance and bias here. If you think the rules of engagement should be those of 10/7, then so be it. Thankfully Israel holds itself to a higher standard than the likes of Hamas and yourself.

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        When it comes to human shields, the only independent verification back in 2014 (Amnesty link) is of Weapons (not rockets) hidden at a vacant school, situated btwn 2 UNRWA schools housing displaced people, by a Palestinian armed group.

        The Guardian journalists had encountered a couple individuals in 2014 too.

        HRW on Laws-of-War Violations 2009

        Amnesty on Hamas War Crimes 2023

        Yet none of those come remotely close to making hospitals and schools bombing targets. Even if all the IDF claims were true, that does not exempt those hospitals and schools as protected under international law.

        While we’re on the subject, let’s look at how the IDF uses Human Shields including Children (2013 Report)

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                There has been no evidence of human sheilds outside of US and Isn’treal media. This is not “Iranian propoganda” Dispite your wishful thinking

                Now answer my damn question why is the Isn’treal offense Force, attacking farms, schools hostpitals, water treatment plants, and areas they promised would be safe zones.

                Why is Isn’treal banning food, water, desalinization and medicine entering.

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                    No I have never watched Al Jazeera a day in my life I have issues with Qatar, and prefer npt to get my news from their mouth peice, I am also not saying “The Jews control the media” 1) because Isn’treal does not, has never, and will never represent Judeism, second because I understand material intrests,

                    Hamas is not intentionally using civilian settings, there has been no independent evidence to use this, all evedence of such has been assertions of the IOF, and Gaza is artifically overcrowded by systematic forces Isn’treal has done in a long running genocide, so when they fight back it will be closer than expected, BUT NOT A SHOOL OR HOSPITAL AND NOT EVERY SINGLE HOSPITAL IN GAZA

                    You see the problem with citing banned cargo is Isn’treal defines medicine food, water, or anything that can be used as such as banned cargo, so your claim is meaningless, also agian no evidence outside of Isn’treals say so

                    No evidence of them stealing medication l, but gpod attempt at a boogie man, why does the IOF shoot returning POWs?

                    And an admit to the genocide, thank you

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        When someone asks for a source, and then OP’s reply does not have a link in it, I ignore everything OP says.

        Do you have a source for those numbers?

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          From the AJ live tracker you can get that in Gaza 28,775 people have been killed, including more than: 12,300 children, and 8,400 women. 68,552 have been injured, including at least: 8,663 children and 6,327 women. With more than 7000 still missing. He’s either assuming all the Men killed, ~8,075 are Hamas or that some of the 12,300 children killed were Hamas.

          Instead of analyzing why violent resistance to apartheid has been happening since like 1988 and advocating for an end to the occupation, it seems he’d rather justify these deaths.

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            You’re using Al Jazeera as your verified source? The same Media operation that’s literally paid for by the same benefactor as Hamas? No bias there LMFAO.

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              Technically the Gaza Health Ministry, for good reason. And no lol, I don’t exclusively use any news source. I always look for independent verification.

              “Everyone uses the figures from the Gaza Health Ministry because those are generally proven to be reliable,” said Omar Shakir, Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch. “In the times in which we have done our own verification of numbers for particular strikes, I’m not aware of any time which there’s been some major discrepancy.” -WaPo

              Bias and credibility are two different things. Framing deaths as being killed by Israeli forces compared to simply dying has a difference of bias. On-the-ground reporting with independent verification compared to unsubstantiated claims is a difference of credibility

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                Technically… they’re The same thing. They serve the same Master.

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        9 months ago

        why is Isn’treal bombing hospitals and schools. Why are they preventing food water and medicine from entering , why are they destroying water processing plants cemetaries farms and orchards.