• davel [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    I’ve only ever heard this asserted without evidence, and am becoming suspicious of it. Will China’s current rise really compel the bourgeoisie to cede concessions the proletariat?

    • axont [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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      9 months ago

      The average westerner believes they have a higher quality of life than the average Chinese citizen, but that’s slowly changing I think. I think the propaganda is getting more tenuous and more difficult to maintain by western countries. It’s becoming blatantly obvious how developed China is.

      Also the USSR’s threats were things like military defectors and brain drain. I haven’t heard of any high profile instances of spies defecting to China or selling state secrets or whatever. If that started happening, I could maybe believe there’s enough discontent among western proletariat to do something like demand concessions.

      • StellarTabi [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        9 months ago

        The average westerner believes they have a higher quality of life than the average Chinese citizen, but that’s slowly changing I think.

        restaurants cost 2x what they did earlier in my lifetime, rent probably 3x. I remember learning about career options in highschool that essentially stopped existing less than a decade later. I’m not that old. How fast is slow suppose to be?

          • nohaybanda [he/him]@hexbear.net
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            9 months ago

            In the gardeners’ minds better off and just better are the same. To admit they’re not doing as well materially as the Chinese would require dismantling white supremacy first.

              • Leon_Grotsky [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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                9 months ago

                Calling them gardeners is referencing this:

                After days of mounting international backlash, Josep Borrell, the European Union’s outspoken foreign policy chief, has apologised for his controversial remarks in which he described Europe as an idyllic “garden” of prosperity and the rest of the world as mostly a “jungle.”
                “Some have misinterpreted the metaphor as ‘colonial Euro-centrism’,” Borrell wrote in a blog post on Tuesday evening. “I am sorry if some have felt offended.”
                But he did not reject the figure of speech and instead doubled down on it, arguing the term jungle is an apt illustration of the lawlessness and disorder that currently rule world politics.

      • DamarcusArt@lemmygrad.ml
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        9 months ago

        I think you overestimate the willingness to consume bullshit of the average westerner. Any developments in China are likely to be dismissed as Potemkin villages, A lot of westerners would rather pretend the entire country was faked to trick them rather than admit that they’re living better lives than us.