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    Oh yes, the left has never protested against the crimes of the USA and that also justifies anything a horrible dictatorship does. I reflect on it while I see the protests of the left in the third world against the horrible and anti-American dictatorships

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        Very funny when they come on to justify the exact behaviour we make fun of them for, but their defence of their behaviour is to just…state it? There’s no argument here, just “Nu-uh! This is right and good behaviour actually!”

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        I see that you are the one who distributes the leftist cards, is there a waiting list, should I go to a re-education camp or how are things going?

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        Yes, I am a left-wing person and I have had the horrible bad luck of being born in the first world, I humbly ask for forgiveness. I also tell you that I have mobilized and actively protested against many international actions by the USA. I don’t see why that should force me to support atrocious governments that massacre their own population or that of their next-door neighbors, but I will read the capital again to see if I can find the part that supports the ayatollahs.

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      Oh yes, the left has never protested against the crimes of the USA

      You know, you’re right. A better version of this meme would be the first world leftists complaining about U.S. imperialism when it happens… then still lining up right behind the State Department when anyone fights back.

      The pure (libertarian) socialists’ ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.

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        Complaining while it happens? More like, hand-wringing 5-10 years afterwards about how it was a “regrettable necessity”

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        I understand that a revolution is not a camp, I am not worried that the reactionary elements will suffer the consequences, but I also do not see how that is happening in places like Putin’s Russia or the Ayatollahs’ Iran. Just because they oppose the USA doesn’t automatically make them great places.

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      did your post manage to quiet the little voice in your head that whispers about how capitalism is turning the planet into a charcoal briquette?

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        I don’t understand what the relationship between the economic system and environmentalism has to do with this, in any case I suppose we all comment to silence that little voice in our head, I imagine that yours will tell you that everything that is not unconditional support is equivalent to opposition frontal

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      And what do those protests aim to replace the “terrible dictatorship” with? Yeah, a pro American actual dictatorship.

      Oh, and one more thing: dictatorships aren’t made by individuals, they’re lead by classes, the “dictator” is merely the one who carries out the interests of said class. Therefore, Fascism is the most extreme form of capitalism, the naked dictatorship of the bourgeoisie, just like socialism is the dictatorship of the proletariat.

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        friend, any form of authoritarianism is reprehensible, I don’t mind whether it is pro or anti whatever shit you can think of, and I have protested in my life against the Pinochet dictatorship as much as against that of North Korea, anything else is your daydreams .

        It is obvious that any dictatorship is not the personal project of a single man, but they can represent groups and coalitions of completely diverse interests. In Spain the Franco dictatorship brought together the bourgeoisie and nobility under the same umbrella, in South Korea the nobility was kicked out, believing that all cases are the same, that you can judge the entire story with a couple of sentences and evaluate in terms of acceptable<->unacceptable from that point of view is simplistic to the point of being