I don’t know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can’t admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there’s possibly no democracy with Trump, there’s only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.
I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.
It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.
Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.
Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.
They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.
If literal genocide cannot convince liberals to consider third parties, then I’m convinced they will never support third parties. This is the duopolies Sandy Hook moment. If you see Genocide A or Genocide B and don’t seek a third option, you will never seek a third option.
Sure but that third party doesn’t exist so you knowingly letting an even worse option win thus enabling even more genocide just shows you didn’t really care about genocides in the first place
The Democrats problem is that while they might pass legislation with some foresight or even just fund things, none of it fucking matters if everyone feels broke all the time. Fighting for the status quo is a losing proposition because this shit sucks. Fighting for the status quo just means another 4 years of corporate minmaxing existence into a no-net trapeze subscription service. No one wants what we have now, but sure, lets trust the fuckers who made this to fix it, right? And sure, that’s not that fault of these politicians per se, but when politicians are obviously bought out by corporations (who have zero regard for the public well-being) then that makes politicians the face of the corporatocracy, and as deserving of the anger as the every sycophantic C-suite - which is ALL of them .
I want a new army of auditors, matching the size of our armed forces. You break into the 1% and want to do any business in America? Here’s your personal IRS agent, who’s monitored remotely and anonymously by 2 more Agents. Idgaf if you’re a foreign national, you want to do business in America? Thems the breaks. That simple.
You want a corporate business license? Here’s your IRS platoon.
The best part? With how corrupt things have gotten, we already KNOW they’ll claw enough back to pay for themselves, and then some.
Get caught cheating the tax code? Lose everything you own, then prison. Pull an Enron and rob 1000s of people of their retirement? Death by crowbar. Cheap and reusable. $0 wasted further on you.
Any person or business that pays $0 in taxes deserves 0 of the protections afforded by government. Including forfeiture of patents to the public domain.
But let’s play devil’s advocate. Let’s look at corporations in the same vein our bullshit Supreme Court likes to use, Originalism. The framers of the constitution deemed corporations legal only under the framework that it was temporary to accomplish a public good, to the tune of building a bridge, or a sewer system, then immediately dissolved. Let’s go back to THAT and hold everyone accountable to everyone else again, because all humanity needs to become fucking monsters is immunity from accountability. That’s something we can NEVER let stand.
Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.
Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.
Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.
I don’t know where you guys see it, but I never see any stans for Biden who can’t admit his flaws like we see with Trump supporters. The only support I see for Biden is for the general election, not for him or his policies overall. I only see people being critical of Biden but saying we need to vote for him anyway. As bad as it is, there is no Palestine with Trump, there’s possibly no democracy with Trump, there’s only likely a lot of suffering for the regular people with Trump.
I see it everywhere. I’d name drop but can’t “attack the user” in this community or whatever the rule is.
It’s almost at maga levels with these people. Any criticism of Biden is met with “Why do you want Trump to win”, “Bidens policies have been so good but no one knows about them”, or “The president can’t just do things”. I always see zero willingness to admit his huge flaws and only deflection.
Sometimes we hold our nose and vote. Because the alternative is so deeply problematic our moral judgement of one is dwarfed by the moral and practical horror of the other.
We did that already.
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Because literal Genocide isn’t “deeply problematic”.
It would be happening in more places, more aggressively with a President Trump.
Sometimes we don’t make excuses for enabling genocide, but I guess that moral and practical horror is a-okay to some.
Not voting against Trump is enabling even more genocide and the end of some women and minority rights so don’t pretend like you’ve got the moral high ground if your refuse to vote because of the Democrats stance on Israel.
They absolutely have the moral highground. Fuck a president that enables genocide and funds it. Saying “oh don’t be a single issue voter!” when the issue is “stop mass killings of people with a single phone call” is so out of this world, it’s just insane.
Time for a third party, plain and simple.
If literal genocide cannot convince liberals to consider third parties, then I’m convinced they will never support third parties. This is the duopolies Sandy Hook moment. If you see Genocide A or Genocide B and don’t seek a third option, you will never seek a third option.
Sure but that third party doesn’t exist so you knowingly letting an even worse option win thus enabling even more genocide just shows you didn’t really care about genocides in the first place
The Democrats problem is that while they might pass legislation with some foresight or even just fund things, none of it fucking matters if everyone feels broke all the time. Fighting for the status quo is a losing proposition because this shit sucks. Fighting for the status quo just means another 4 years of corporate minmaxing existence into a no-net trapeze subscription service. No one wants what we have now, but sure, lets trust the fuckers who made this to fix it, right? And sure, that’s not that fault of these politicians per se, but when politicians are obviously bought out by corporations (who have zero regard for the public well-being) then that makes politicians the face of the corporatocracy, and as deserving of the anger as the every sycophantic C-suite - which is ALL of them .
I want a new army of auditors, matching the size of our armed forces. You break into the 1% and want to do any business in America? Here’s your personal IRS agent, who’s monitored remotely and anonymously by 2 more Agents. Idgaf if you’re a foreign national, you want to do business in America? Thems the breaks. That simple.
You want a corporate business license? Here’s your IRS platoon.
The best part? With how corrupt things have gotten, we already KNOW they’ll claw enough back to pay for themselves, and then some.
Get caught cheating the tax code? Lose everything you own, then prison. Pull an Enron and rob 1000s of people of their retirement? Death by crowbar. Cheap and reusable. $0 wasted further on you.
Any person or business that pays $0 in taxes deserves 0 of the protections afforded by government. Including forfeiture of patents to the public domain.
But let’s play devil’s advocate. Let’s look at corporations in the same vein our bullshit Supreme Court likes to use, Originalism. The framers of the constitution deemed corporations legal only under the framework that it was temporary to accomplish a public good, to the tune of building a bridge, or a sewer system, then immediately dissolved. Let’s go back to THAT and hold everyone accountable to everyone else again, because all humanity needs to become fucking monsters is immunity from accountability. That’s something we can NEVER let stand.
Ok, those aren’t the same thing as supporting him. I will admit I don’t care for his policies, but they have been better than I expected, which is something. Also, yeah the president doesn’t have the power to do that much alone. It requires congress to play a role, which the democrats don’t have enough control in to do. Those are extremely valid things to say, and you can say them while still being critical of Biden. It sounds like you want people to only be critical of him, which is just as bad as only supporting him. We need to understand there’s more beyond the one man or we will fail.
I’m sorry, but defending someone from criticism and saying their policies are super amazing isn’t supporting them?
Saying they’re amazing is, but that’s not what you said they said.
Defending can be, but it isn’t necessarily. I’ll defend a lot of people or things that people are attacking for no reason. That said, defending someone from a legitimate critique is usually done out of support, but still sometimes it’s done out of a feeling of necessity.
I’ve seen it all over the place. Usually in the form of the narcissist’s prayer too.