Remember when the left fought for freedom of speech? When the ACLU would go to court for the Klan’s right to march, or for Nazis to be able to speak? When freedoms for everyone actually meant everyone, not just people we like.
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The downvotes here make me sad for freedom of speech and human rights. The left has abandoned free speech.
Freedom from the government. They fought against censorship from the government. No one wants to hear their hateful shit be prioritized by an algo so that they get a megaphone on a private platform. Fuck. That. Noise.
Yeah, and look what happened when bigots were emboldened.
There’s a difference between not allowing the government to stop private speech, and a private platform hosting stochastic terrorism and attacking anyone who tries to tell them it’s wrong.
You can sue the government for infringing your rights. You can’t sue (and win against) researchers who are literally just stating your actions and pointing to the immediate and obvious consequences.
Yeah! You’re 100% right!!! Freedom for everyone! Just because they’re from a small non-profit doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to the same protections everyone else enjoys. You, I, and everyone else have the right to say Twitter promotes hate speech and Elon is a racist bastard, and he shouldn’t be able to stop that no matter how much money he has! Especially if they have the proof to back it up!
The US government doesn’t prohibit Nazi’s from marching, nor does it silence them. So… What the fuck are you talking about?
The reason these types don’t do this more is because most people fucking abhore them. Free speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, or universal tolerance… It just means the government isn’t allowed to silence their citizens.
There are exceptions to this when it comes to public safety (e.g. Yelling “FIRE” in a public theater), but overall the US holds firm on allowing people to say and do what they want.
In Musk’s case, he doesn’t support anything even remotely resembling free speech. He is constantly being called out for silencing people and organizations he disagrees with. He keeps trying to pretend he’s not doing this by projecting his own brazen actions on the very people he’s attacking. It’s a very Trump-esque technique, and it can be very effective among dumb and impressionable people.
Freedom of speech! Unless you criticize the governments of Turkey or India. Or give out public information about where Musk’s private plane is parked or flying. Or report on that account giving out that information. Or report on the hate speech on Twitter.
Other than that, Musk is entirely in favor of freedom of speech! Until he can come up with another exception.
Remember when the left fought for freedom of speech? When the ACLU would go to court for the Klan’s right to march, or for Nazis to be able to speak? When freedoms for everyone actually meant everyone, not just people we like.
edit:
The downvotes here make me sad for freedom of speech and human rights. The left has abandoned free speech.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
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https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
Something something reach, said by some moron.
Musk is trying to block their freedom to monitor Twitter, largely it seems because it’s pointing out the hate speech.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
It’s always “whataboutisms” with this type. Never an actual defense, just a deflection to something else.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
Freedom from the government. They fought against censorship from the government. No one wants to hear their hateful shit be prioritized by an algo so that they get a megaphone on a private platform. Fuck. That. Noise.
Yeah, and look what happened when bigots were emboldened.
There’s a difference between not allowing the government to stop private speech, and a private platform hosting stochastic terrorism and attacking anyone who tries to tell them it’s wrong.
You can sue the government for infringing your rights. You can’t sue (and win against) researchers who are literally just stating your actions and pointing to the immediate and obvious consequences.
This is the sort of thing someone with a persecution complex would say.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
Yeah! You’re 100% right!!! Freedom for everyone! Just because they’re from a small non-profit doesn’t mean they’re not entitled to the same protections everyone else enjoys. You, I, and everyone else have the right to say Twitter promotes hate speech and Elon is a racist bastard, and he shouldn’t be able to stop that no matter how much money he has! Especially if they have the proof to back it up!
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
The US government doesn’t prohibit Nazi’s from marching, nor does it silence them. So… What the fuck are you talking about?
The reason these types don’t do this more is because most people fucking abhore them. Free speech doesn’t mean freedom from consequences, or universal tolerance… It just means the government isn’t allowed to silence their citizens.
There are exceptions to this when it comes to public safety (e.g. Yelling “FIRE” in a public theater), but overall the US holds firm on allowing people to say and do what they want.
In Musk’s case, he doesn’t support anything even remotely resembling free speech. He is constantly being called out for silencing people and organizations he disagrees with. He keeps trying to pretend he’s not doing this by projecting his own brazen actions on the very people he’s attacking. It’s a very Trump-esque technique, and it can be very effective among dumb and impressionable people.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
I have no idea what you’re trying to say here… Care to elaborate?
Yes the do. The aclu fought for their right to march:
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
The ACLU today doesn’t give a fuck about free speech:
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
Do I need to get crayons out to explain it?
Freedom of speech! Unless you criticize the governments of Turkey or India. Or give out public information about where Musk’s private plane is parked or flying. Or report on that account giving out that information. Or report on the hate speech on Twitter.
Other than that, Musk is entirely in favor of freedom of speech! Until he can come up with another exception.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
What exactly does that have to do with Musk’s hypocritical stance on “free speech?”
It has to do with what I said.
Which has nothing to do with Elon Musk? You just picked a random thread to rant in?
To be tolerant you have to intolerante the intolerant.
https://www.aclu.org/documents/aclu-history-taking-stand-free-speech-skokie
https://reason.com/2020/12/20/would-the-aclu-still-defend-nazis-right-to-march-in-skokie/
you’re referring to the paradox of tolerance
I don’t recall the ACLU ever fighting to compel a private business to promote or facilitate hate speech.