The whole post is good, but if I may:
Liberals, devoid of principles, would never understand any extreme, or even inconvenient form of protest
My god, so true! This is why liberals were hand-wringing about blocking streets during the BLM protests and gatekeeping what constitutes a “proper” protest, and clutching their pearls about a campaign every time the sitting president is criticized, and using inappropriate terms like “harm reduction” to refer to supporting a genocidal leader, and fundamentally being incapable of grasping the sacrifice of someone like Aaron Bushnell, and why they sit in their suburban homes and post about how someone like me is “privileged” while their dear leader imprisons and deports my friends and loved ones, while I live surrounded by fascists in a red state while our president does nothing to stop or slow the creep of fascism, but instead implements even more LGBTQIAphobic policies that bolster hate. It’s projection. Look at any thread in any liberal community, and you’ll find them – the people described in this post. Palestine is “complicated” even though unprecedented numbers of children are murdered every day by Israel, the “border crisis” is something that like 70% of them have been duped into believing so therefore it’s okay and must be real, and black people are supposed to protest their systemic murder in a way that’s acceptable to their delicate suburban sensibilities.
Liberals are fundamentally unable to understand the left, or anyone with any kind of principles.
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I am not liberal and very pro radical protest.
But I need to make a correction:
“Biden’s genocide stance is worth not dealing with Trump stripping women’s and marginalized rights and genocide”
We need to stop downplaying the horrific harm Trump has caused and will continue to cause. As a trans woman I am legitimately terrified another Trump presidency will result in me losing access to HRT or surgeries along with other rights.
And Trump has moved the Isreali embassy to occupied-Palestine. He would 100% support the genocide.
So I urge people to both vote Democrat to prevent this pos from holding office, and perform radical protest against Biden. Because not voting will result in a much harsher and potentially violent resistance to any leftist or even right-of-center stance.
Conversely, not committing genocide, not imprisoning refugees, not bolstering bigotry, are abysmally low bars to clear, yet Biden is unwilling. He has supported inequity and bigotry consistently throughout his presidency, with no sign that he is open to being persuaded to cease these atrocities. I can’t imagine seeing starving children, having loved ones imprisoned and deported who we’ll never see again, continuing to uphold the genocidal and colonial values of the US, and still supporting the man.
I think an argument can be made to vote Biden to buy us time for systemic change, but we’re headed full steam ahead toward fascism with Biden in office, and most Democrats are the same – establishment neoliberals who will kill us all. What else are we going to do besides vote? We pretty much need to tear the entire state down to save ourselves and others. There will never be equity within our existing “democracy.” Never.
I’m open to ideas as someone who lives in a red state surrounded by unapologetically evil people from both parties.
I agree sticking with democrats long term will just result fascism. My argument is essentially what you said about buying time.
We just can’t expect any substantial positive change from voting alone. but it’s foolish to expect not voting to change anything for the better. I just see it as a tool to maintain a sub-bare minimum for office.
To put bluntly, nothing short of physically going outside and protesting will help. And not just waving signs around for “awareness”, I mean blocking roads, businesses, government buildings.
There are other forms of protest too but admittedly I’m not well researched on all the methods and don’t know which one’s best.
But letting things get worse by not voting won’t accomplish anything. It won’t shake something loose and let us rebuild, that was thought up in 2016 and accomplished nothing. Letting things get worse just makes things worse.
But letting things get worse by not voting won’t accomplish anything
I’m no accelerationist. I held my nose and voted Clinton in 2016, and Biden in 2020. I was hoping the liberals were right about Biden, but it appears he’s just a politer Trump. The number of concentration camps and deportation rates have escalated under Biden, with his followers excusing him every step of the way, and now the genocide.
If you’d asked me a couple months ago, I’d have said exactly what you’re saying, but now I’m not sure what to do. It seems that voting gets us nowhere, and in spite of what establishment Democrats say, Biden is fully immune to being persuaded to do right. Hell, he’s even signed an LGBTQIA-phobic bill. He’d have both of us run over with tanks if it helped his campaign. And the murdered children, all the suffering he’s caused, people he’s killed. He makes Jeffrey Dahmer look like Mary fucken Poppins, and his followers encourage him to continue.
It’s all so hopeless and depressing
It is depressing, and it does feel hopeless.
I’m keeping some hope for the future out of pure stubbornness, but we’re in awful times.
Yeah, thanks for understanding. When it comes down to it, you’re probably right that voting Biden is the only way … but it’s super hard. It feels like legitimizing all the atrocities he’s committed.
I’ll be honest-- I think Project 25 is coming either way – directly if Trump is in office, and by Democrats bending to the will of Republicans if we get Biden.
Part of me wants to move to rural Mexico where I have family and disappear, but that wouldn’t help anyone
If Project 2025 happens I may need to move to Canada (I live in Minnesota).
Unfortunately the MAGA philosophy has been spreading to other countries, Canada included, so Project 2025 will be devastating to the whole world.
Just gotta do our best to protect ourselves, loved ones, and anyone else if we’re able.
Canada’s closer for me too since I live in South Dakota, but I think it would be very hard and expensive to move to Canada.
