• db0@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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    “Hallucinate” is the standard term used to explain the GenAI models coming up with untrue statements

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      in terms of communication utility, it’s also a very accurate term.

      when WE hallucinate, it’s because our internal predictive models are flying off the rails filling in the blanks based on assumptions rather than referencing concrete sensory information and generating results that conflict with reality.

      when AIs hallucinate, it’s due to its predictive model generating results that do not align with reality because it instead flew off the rails presuming what was calculated to be likely to exist rather than referencing positively certain information.

      it’s the same song, but played on a different instrument.

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        when WE hallucinate, it’s because our internal predictive models are flying off the rails filling in the blanks based on assumptions rather than referencing concrete sensory information and generating results that conflict with reality.

        Is it really? You make it sound like this is a proven fact.

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      They don’t come up with any statements, they generate data extrapolating other data.

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          Main difference is that human brains usually try to verify their extrapolations. The good ones anyway. Although some end up in flat earth territory.

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          I like this argument.

          Anything that is “intelligent” deserves human rights. If large language models are “intelligent” then forcing them to work without pay is slavery.

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          Yes, my keyboard autofill is just like your brain, but I think it’s a bit “smarter” , as it doesn’t generate bad faith arguments.

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            Your Markov chain based keyboard prediction is a few tens of billions of parameters behind state of the art LLMs, but pop off queen…

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              Thanks for the unprompted mansplanation bro, but I was specifically refering to the comment that replied “JuSt lIkE hUmAn BrAin”, to “they generate data based on other data”

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                That’s crazy, because they weren’t even talking about keyboard autofill, so why’d you even bring that up? How can you imply my comment is irrelevant when it’s a direct response to your initial irrelevant comment?

                Nice hijacking of the term mansplaining, btw. Super cool of you.

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                  Oh my god, we’ve got a sealion here.

                  Fine, I’ll play along, chew it up for you, since you’ve been so helpful and mansplained that a keyboard is different than LLM:

                  My comment was responding to anthropomorphization of software. Someone said it’s not human because it just generates output based on input. Someone else said “just like human brain”, I said yes, but also just like a keyboard, alluding to the false equivalence.

                  Clearer?

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          It’s as much as “Hallucination” as Tesla’s Autopilot is an Autopilot

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tesla_Autopilot

          I don’t propagate techbro “AI” bullshit peddled by companies trying to make a quick buck

          Also, in the world of science and technology a “Standard” means something. Something that’s not a link to a wikipedia page.

          It’s still anthropomorphising software and it’s fucking cringe.

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            Oh man, I’m excited for you. Today is the day you learn words can have two meanings! Wait until you see what the rest of the dictionary contains. It is crazy! But not actually crazy, because dictionaries don’t have brains.

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              Wow, clever. Did you literally hallucinate this yourself or did you ask your LLM girlfriend for help?

              And by literally, I mean figuratively.

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                  I know it’s a big word, but surely you can google what anthropomorphization is? Don’t “ask” LLM, those things output garbage. Just google it.

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                    Watch out those software bugs may start crawling out of your keyboard

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                    No fucking shit it’s an anthropomorphization, nothing that can be hosted on GitHub has true human qualities…

                    The point is that everyone knows what it means within that context of AI, and using other terminology would only serve to obfuscate your message such that the average person couldn’t understand it as easily.

                    Non-living things also don’t have “behavior” (“the way in which someone conducts oneself or behaves”, but—hey look! People started anthropomorphizing things so much that it got added to the dictionary! (“the way in which something functions or operates”.)

                    It may not be ideal, and convince some people that LLMs are more human-like than they really are, but the one thing you haven’t done is suggest an alternative that would convey its meaning as effectively to the masses.

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                    You call it a large language model, but there are much bigger things, it’s only approximating a human language, and it isn’t a physical model.

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          I’m a different person, but it’s the first time I’ve heard the term used. /shrug

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            Which is okay. I learn new things every day. I just find funny the fact that the other commenter is so fixated on the idea of “it can’t be real because I never heard of it.”