• GBU_28
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    8 months ago

    It’s not Kool aid, it’s an understanding of reality. There’s no chance of running a third party or another democrat in this month of this year in this election .

    Your only choice is to either vote Biden, and try to convince him to change policy, or do any other action and be fine with trump, who will never be convinced of anything, will happily build an actual Christian nation-state and is likely compromised by foreign actors .

    After the election, hoping Biden wins, is the time for leftists to wake up and build a candidate. If trump wins they may never get the chance due to project 2025.

    It’s like this:

    The floor is covered in broken glass. You must cross it to get out.

    You are wearing very uncomfortable high heel shoes.

    You can either remove the uncomfortable shoes and walk in the broken glass, taking massive damage. Your feet will never be the same.

    Or you can wear the uncomfortable shoes, safely cross the room, and then stop once you are out, and either remove the shoes and find new ones.

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      8 months ago

      Your only choice is to either vote Biden, and try to convince him to change policy, or do any other action and be fine with trump

      i am not fine with biden or trump.

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        8 months ago

        That’s fine, but you are in a game. You have 2 choices. Your actions influence ONLY the possible success of one of those two names.

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          i’m going to be voting for cornel west or jill stein (or de la cruz if someone can convince me). but i won’t be voting for fascists.

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            And depending on your county/state, your vote will do nothing, or help trump. Enjoy.

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              my vote will add one to the vote total of the candidate for whom i vote. unless that person is trump (it won’t be), then i am voting against trump.

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                That’s fun fairy time, but it isn’t reality. You need to research how game theory, and the availability (or lack) of true choice works.

                You are literally at the precipice of “do I like the giant douche, or the turd sandwich”. You cannot have anything else.

                Edit in some cases (location dependant) chosing a third means you implicitly choose the distant other

                I.e. if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

                Another flavor: if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump. You are feeding the uncertainty of contest.

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                  if the third is closer to Biden than trump (even if very different, it’s all about proximity), then you helped trump.

                  wrong. only a vote for trump helps trump

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                    Literally uneducated response.

                    I described the situation earlier with you.

                    If your third party vote is closer to Biden than trump, you just spoiled Biden, thus aiding trump.

                    This is so simple

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                  if your district is highly contested, and a trump win is close, a vote for anyone but Biden is a vote FOR trump

                  this is election misinformation. only a vote for trump is a vote for trump

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                    8 months ago

                    You’ll need to defend that. It’s not supported empirically or theoretically.

                    That is the shortest vision you could possibly have. True crabs in a bucket brain.

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                  8 months ago

                  game theory

                  game theory does not actually describe how people do or should act. it is an academic exercise that you should leave to the academy

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                    My dude you are living it. This is the most present and surface example of game theory existing out of academia

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                  You cannot have anything else.

                  i will not do something immoral like vote for biden or trump.

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                    I’m ready to keep helping you with this:

                    Whatever you do, you are influencing the success of Biden or trump. There is nothing else.