Your whole argument is that China would control Taiwan and the US wouldn’t have access to that market anymore in the same way.
So you don’t care about the millions of people living in Taiwan who’d die in a war vs China? They have a solid military, though not big enough to fight China off. They’d need US help for protection to stand a chance.
You think the Taiwanese are going to roll over without a fight? It’d be brutal. Taiwan is rich, there’s huge advantages to island defense (crossing the sea is roughly the same difficulty as the D-Day landings), and they’ll fight very hard to defend themselves before they’d lose to China.
But with US Defense, more of them would survive, fewer missiles will wreck their defensess, and Taiwan’s economy will be in a better spot for the next decades. Current estimates suggest US + Taiwan alone is enough to hold the island. Yes there will be death and destruction if China attacks, but US soldiers will prevent deaths and in the long term be better for everyone. That’s the most important reason on this whole issue (and why I’m confident the Marines who’d fight in this war would gladly fight. A just and fair defense is a better dream than the shit we gave them in Iraq or Afghanistan).
Taiwan btw, has plenty of trade with mainland China. They’re physically close like that. The issue is that fair trade is not enough for Xi’s China, and we all know that the +400 nukes they’ve made are in preparation of this conflict.
And again: once China has lots of nukes, a large navy, and a win under their belt, they’ll inevitably expand outwards in a true Imperialist fashion. Its the nature of large militaries, once you build one you naturally expand.
All your crocodile tears for the Marines who’d fight for this cause are lost on me, because I know you’re a caustic asshole who doesn’t actually have much value aside from spouting anti-American rhetoric. But I was waiting for you to make yourself more obvious.
Maybe you could do something useful, make food or clean houses.
And this makes it quite obvious. Your fake imperialism crocodile tears and all that is just that, fake. You don’t give a shit about this discussion at all and never had. These are all just abstract internet talking points to you.
But I’ll make it clear to you, and everyone involved. I do care about Taiwan, the survival of them as a people, and their friendship with the USA, and their economic ties with us. Hopefully my real empathy reaches the right people over the next years more so than your apathy, so that we Americans can stand united on this next threat.
USA doesn’t need to play selective world police for economic gain. It’s that simple, as much as you want to pretend that you have any moral motivations here, you’ve repeated your actual motivations many times over.
Idk why you think me telling you I don’t care about your job discredits me lol, I think you just don’t want to engage with the fact that your job is more important to you than people’s lives.
Making food and cleaning houses is useful. The most useful thing you could do would honestly be to go to nursing school. idk what company you work for, but the biggest ones are mostly just efficiently exploiting workers. Meanwhile sectors such as conservation science, where technology could actually be useful and not just making money for billionaires, have the shittiest tech platforms imaginable available to professionals.
We don’t need to stand together as “Americans”. I don’t care if China rules over the entire North American continent. They are both genocidal empires, and the only reason you prefer one to the other is due to your own self interest. The only thing you have empathy for is your career.
Idk why you think me telling you I don’t care about your job discredits me lol, I think you just don’t want to engage with the fact that your job is more important to you than people’s lives.
Because its so obvious that your fake imperialism shit was so weak-sauce that you’ve resorted to just looking down upon me and insulting my job. Its kind of hilarious how shitty your argument is.
Don’t worry, I’m enjoying this. As if you looking down upon others for what they do is like… a good debate technique or something?
You don’t actually have anything to say about the Taiwan people, the history with the USA, their economic importance to our culture or like… anything that matters in this discussion. Just hilariously bad takes on what “imperialism” is.
Taiwan is a 70+ year old ally who are the reminants of the Republic of China (Democracy China) back from the WW2 era, with huge contributions to the USA war effort vs Japan. And over the next 70 years, they’ve remained a close ally and even tied up their economy with us to strengthen this relationship. They’ve remained a democracy and capitalist partner, and even made some amends with Japan (who really wrecked them in WW2), showing themselves to be a kind and forgiving people. Etc. etc.
And you think this is… somehow related to my job? Like anyone gives a shit about little ol me? I’m talking about long-standing relations, geopolitics, ideologies, friendships, alliances, economic benefits. And the best you’ve got is saying “Imperialism” and insulting me personally.
Hint: no one gives a shit about me. Not even myself. I’m a nobody in the great scheme of nations, states, and these world events. If you don’t like my personal perspective or my personal benefits on this situation that’s fine, argue against me on the global scale and on the greater issues associated to this situation. And maybe next time, find a better word than just “Imperialism”.
You’re just really confused now I think lol and you’re not actually addressing my main point which is that it’s not worthwhile to go to war with China over economic interests - which has been consistently your main argument for why it would be worthwhile.
Shitting on your tech job was part of that argument, if you don’t see that, idk maybe ask a friend to help.
not worthwhile to go to war with China over economic interests
Then what about protecting a long-lasting 70+ year old friendship with Taiwan?
Do you know anything about the history of this region? Or are you blatantly ignorant about this as well? I’ve posted some tidbits of our shared history with Taiwan and why it just makes sense to treat them as a close friend.
Or are you just ignoring other parts of my argument because you have literally nothing to say about it?
Shitting on your tech job was part of that argument, if you don’t see that, idk maybe ask a friend to help.
Indeed. Your apathy and caustic attitude towards me is acknowledged. Cool, now that that’s covered, do you actually have an argument or do you have a way to show me any kind of semblance of knowledge of this region or history? Or is shitting on me the full extent of your discussion powers?
idk maybe ask a friend to help.
You’re not getting it.
Let me make it clear to you then. You’re so dumb and ignorant about this discussion, that your only way of conversing with me is apparently through insults. And this fact is fucking hilarious to me.
Now prove me wrong. But I’m over here laughing at ya. Do you have anything better to say on this subject, or are you out? Or are you just going to say “Imperialism” again?
it’s funny how people just think that if someone disagree with them, the go-to attack is to say they don’t really care. I do believe you really care about your stupid job and prices of video games consoles and cars or whatever lol
You don’t give a shit about our 70 year friendship with Taiwan. To the point you couldn’t even acknowledge it in your most recent post to me. That’s cool, you’re the kind of guy who wants us to give up on our long-term friendships because of “imperialism”.
You got your chance, and you took it. You ignored the most important part of my argument yet again, the long-running friendship between our countries. Whoever reads these posts in the future: that’s the threat our country faces. Apathy, Nihilism, ignorance of history, betrayal of friends. And these people will offer fake crocodile tears and fake-care about imperialism.
I think I’ve pushed this discussion far enough to prove my point. Not to you of course, but for everyone else in the future. Thanks for the discussion.
You’re trying to appeal to patriotism to support a war abroad, that’s like textbook imperialism lmao
But anyway, I was just using the word imperialism because that’s how you were justifying the war with China. I don’t think it matters which evil global superpower has control over a particular region. The US and China are both imperialist countries, so it’s a useless argument to say we should fight China to stop an imperialist power. For what? So we can be the stronger imperialist power? If you want to send your kids off to war for that, idk maybe sign them up for football instead.
Why should I care about “friendship”? Literally why does that matter. We’re also “friends” with Israel.
You’re just giving up on the discussion because you don’t want to have to admit that you are willing to send people to DIE for your cheap computer parts.
If you’re someone who truly cares about imperialism, maybe stop advocating for wars abroad with our hugely inflated military, and start advocating for Native American land back.
So you don’t care about the millions of people living in Taiwan who’d die in a war vs China? They have a solid military, though not big enough to fight China off. They’d need US help for protection to stand a chance.
You think the Taiwanese are going to roll over without a fight? It’d be brutal. Taiwan is rich, there’s huge advantages to island defense (crossing the sea is roughly the same difficulty as the D-Day landings), and they’ll fight very hard to defend themselves before they’d lose to China.
But with US Defense, more of them would survive, fewer missiles will wreck their defensess, and Taiwan’s economy will be in a better spot for the next decades. Current estimates suggest US + Taiwan alone is enough to hold the island. Yes there will be death and destruction if China attacks, but US soldiers will prevent deaths and in the long term be better for everyone. That’s the most important reason on this whole issue (and why I’m confident the Marines who’d fight in this war would gladly fight. A just and fair defense is a better dream than the shit we gave them in Iraq or Afghanistan).
Taiwan btw, has plenty of trade with mainland China. They’re physically close like that. The issue is that fair trade is not enough for Xi’s China, and we all know that the +400 nukes they’ve made are in preparation of this conflict.
And again: once China has lots of nukes, a large navy, and a win under their belt, they’ll inevitably expand outwards in a true Imperialist fashion. Its the nature of large militaries, once you build one you naturally expand.
All your crocodile tears for the Marines who’d fight for this cause are lost on me, because I know you’re a caustic asshole who doesn’t actually have much value aside from spouting anti-American rhetoric. But I was waiting for you to make yourself more obvious.
And this makes it quite obvious. Your fake imperialism crocodile tears and all that is just that, fake. You don’t give a shit about this discussion at all and never had. These are all just abstract internet talking points to you.
But I’ll make it clear to you, and everyone involved. I do care about Taiwan, the survival of them as a people, and their friendship with the USA, and their economic ties with us. Hopefully my real empathy reaches the right people over the next years more so than your apathy, so that we Americans can stand united on this next threat.
USA doesn’t need to play selective world police for economic gain. It’s that simple, as much as you want to pretend that you have any moral motivations here, you’ve repeated your actual motivations many times over.
Idk why you think me telling you I don’t care about your job discredits me lol, I think you just don’t want to engage with the fact that your job is more important to you than people’s lives.
Making food and cleaning houses is useful. The most useful thing you could do would honestly be to go to nursing school. idk what company you work for, but the biggest ones are mostly just efficiently exploiting workers. Meanwhile sectors such as conservation science, where technology could actually be useful and not just making money for billionaires, have the shittiest tech platforms imaginable available to professionals.
We don’t need to stand together as “Americans”. I don’t care if China rules over the entire North American continent. They are both genocidal empires, and the only reason you prefer one to the other is due to your own self interest. The only thing you have empathy for is your career.
Because its so obvious that your fake imperialism shit was so weak-sauce that you’ve resorted to just looking down upon me and insulting my job. Its kind of hilarious how shitty your argument is.
Don’t worry, I’m enjoying this. As if you looking down upon others for what they do is like… a good debate technique or something?
You don’t actually have anything to say about the Taiwan people, the history with the USA, their economic importance to our culture or like… anything that matters in this discussion. Just hilariously bad takes on what “imperialism” is.
Taiwan is a 70+ year old ally who are the reminants of the Republic of China (Democracy China) back from the WW2 era, with huge contributions to the USA war effort vs Japan. And over the next 70 years, they’ve remained a close ally and even tied up their economy with us to strengthen this relationship. They’ve remained a democracy and capitalist partner, and even made some amends with Japan (who really wrecked them in WW2), showing themselves to be a kind and forgiving people. Etc. etc.
And you think this is… somehow related to my job? Like anyone gives a shit about little ol me? I’m talking about long-standing relations, geopolitics, ideologies, friendships, alliances, economic benefits. And the best you’ve got is saying “Imperialism” and insulting me personally.
Hint: no one gives a shit about me. Not even myself. I’m a nobody in the great scheme of nations, states, and these world events. If you don’t like my personal perspective or my personal benefits on this situation that’s fine, argue against me on the global scale and on the greater issues associated to this situation. And maybe next time, find a better word than just “Imperialism”.
You’re just really confused now I think lol and you’re not actually addressing my main point which is that it’s not worthwhile to go to war with China over economic interests - which has been consistently your main argument for why it would be worthwhile.
Shitting on your tech job was part of that argument, if you don’t see that, idk maybe ask a friend to help.
Then what about protecting a long-lasting 70+ year old friendship with Taiwan?
Do you know anything about the history of this region? Or are you blatantly ignorant about this as well? I’ve posted some tidbits of our shared history with Taiwan and why it just makes sense to treat them as a close friend.
Or are you just ignoring other parts of my argument because you have literally nothing to say about it?
Indeed. Your apathy and caustic attitude towards me is acknowledged. Cool, now that that’s covered, do you actually have an argument or do you have a way to show me any kind of semblance of knowledge of this region or history? Or is shitting on me the full extent of your discussion powers?
You’re not getting it.
Let me make it clear to you then. You’re so dumb and ignorant about this discussion, that your only way of conversing with me is apparently through insults. And this fact is fucking hilarious to me.
Now prove me wrong. But I’m over here laughing at ya. Do you have anything better to say on this subject, or are you out? Or are you just going to say “Imperialism” again?
You’re the person who brought up imperialism lol
it’s funny how people just think that if someone disagree with them, the go-to attack is to say they don’t really care. I do believe you really care about your stupid job and prices of video games consoles and cars or whatever lol
Yeah I get it.
You don’t give a shit about our 70 year friendship with Taiwan. To the point you couldn’t even acknowledge it in your most recent post to me. That’s cool, you’re the kind of guy who wants us to give up on our long-term friendships because of “imperialism”.
You got your chance, and you took it. You ignored the most important part of my argument yet again, the long-running friendship between our countries. Whoever reads these posts in the future: that’s the threat our country faces. Apathy, Nihilism, ignorance of history, betrayal of friends. And these people will offer fake crocodile tears and fake-care about imperialism.
I think I’ve pushed this discussion far enough to prove my point. Not to you of course, but for everyone else in the future. Thanks for the discussion.
You’re trying to appeal to patriotism to support a war abroad, that’s like textbook imperialism lmao
But anyway, I was just using the word imperialism because that’s how you were justifying the war with China. I don’t think it matters which evil global superpower has control over a particular region. The US and China are both imperialist countries, so it’s a useless argument to say we should fight China to stop an imperialist power. For what? So we can be the stronger imperialist power? If you want to send your kids off to war for that, idk maybe sign them up for football instead.
Why should I care about “friendship”? Literally why does that matter. We’re also “friends” with Israel.
You’re just giving up on the discussion because you don’t want to have to admit that you are willing to send people to DIE for your cheap computer parts.
If you’re someone who truly cares about imperialism, maybe stop advocating for wars abroad with our hugely inflated military, and start advocating for Native American land back.
Yet another post talking about abstract issues and nothing substantial about Taiwan. Got it.
Proudly display that ignorance. Its fitting for you.