I think you finally made me understand. You say “moderates” but see yourself as a real leftist. So it’s a matter of ideology to you, not of cause and effect.
But it wouldn’t make you a hypocrite to acknowledge that as fucked as the US democracy is, voting against orange guy could make a material difference. If the next US election was like so many others, just one run-off-the-mill neoliberal ghoul vs another, I’d say you do you. But Trump has the very real potential to be so much worse.
Trump is racist, sexist, anti-left, and anti-lgbt, and he wants to 1. be a fascist dictator and 2. make policies that punish those he hates. And the international radical left watches with abject horror that some of you don’t vote in for the guy who wants to keep women’s rights, immigrant rights, and rights for queer people.
People like yourself remind me of corporations dumping the blame of pollution onto the masses.
It’s the same concept here. Voters should not be the final line of defense against someone like Trump. There were so many possible stop gaps prior, so many times before this that something should have been done, and yet nothing was done.
Don’t get me wrong. Some of us realize that we have no choice, but the onus should have never been on our shoulders.
People like yourself are likely grateful for Trump if you ask me. Why stop him prior to the elections if possible when you can use him to forcefully fearmonger with real threats? You enjoy being able to grab the average American liberals face and shove it in the direction of Trump and say, “Look, this is what’s going to happen. Side with me or else.” The reality is that if we had two sane candidates and the DNC candidate wasn’t to our liking, then we’d be able to look away.
You know what the international radical left really watched with abject horror? They watched our political system and its corrupt officials allow Trump to get this far to begin with all so you could pin the blame on voters.
Why stop him prior to the elections if possible when you can use him to forcefully fearmonger with real threats?
So we can start shifting the country back to the left? It took the right 70 years to pull off what they have. I honestly don’t expect “the left” to be able to reverse it in any less. You have a lot of should’s and need-to’s in you comments but not a lot of “going to” or “do’s,” I think that’s really emblematic of the issue. The other commenter is right, you see yourself as “the actual left” even though you likely don’t actually participate in the process in any real way. You essentially do not exist to pols because you don’t actually use your voice, yet you get to preach to actual progressives who are trying to change things.
You enjoy being able to grab the average American liberals face and shove it in the direction of Trump and say, “Look, this is what’s going to happen. Side with me or else.”
Yeah, I love trying to explain basic civics to the terminally online and apathetic.
The reality is that if we had two sane candidates and the DNC candidate wasn’t to our liking, then we’d be able to look away.
I agree, unfortunately mobilizing the base (that’s you) to actually push for these changes is difficult. “The left” is plagued by in-fighting and it’s difficult to get them to agree on a goal much less the means to accomplish it. A couple states have implemented RCV and more are becoming aware of it. Organizers have pretty decent luck pushing things at a state-level if they can get their positions before the people but of course the right has every motivation to just maintain the status quo.
You have a lot of should’s and need-to’s in you comments but not a lot of “going to” or “do’s,” I think that’s really emblematic of the issue. The other commenter is right, you see yourself as “the actual left” even though you likely don’t actually participate in the process in any real way. You essentially do not exist to pols because you don’t actually use your voice,
You took the time to dig through my post history, so clearly you’d know I have intentions of voting, that I have voted before, and that I don’t simply vote in big elections, but rather at various different levels. I’m trying just as hard as you are, I’m just more understanding of those that aren’t, and I’m not defending all of my preferred candidates choices.
But hey, reading is difficult. Easier to come online and be an asshole.
I simply have more understanding of the general voting base. I’m not out of touch. Maybe if the moderates were capable of such they could convince people to vote.
Also do some self-reflection. You need it with the amount of hypocrisy you just blatantly dropped.
I think you finally made me understand. You say “moderates” but see yourself as a real leftist. So it’s a matter of ideology to you, not of cause and effect.
But it wouldn’t make you a hypocrite to acknowledge that as fucked as the US democracy is, voting against orange guy could make a material difference. If the next US election was like so many others, just one run-off-the-mill neoliberal ghoul vs another, I’d say you do you. But Trump has the very real potential to be so much worse.
Trump is racist, sexist, anti-left, and anti-lgbt, and he wants to 1. be a fascist dictator and 2. make policies that punish those he hates. And the international radical left watches with abject horror that some of you don’t vote in for the guy who wants to keep women’s rights, immigrant rights, and rights for queer people.
People like yourself remind me of corporations dumping the blame of pollution onto the masses.
It’s the same concept here. Voters should not be the final line of defense against someone like Trump. There were so many possible stop gaps prior, so many times before this that something should have been done, and yet nothing was done.
Don’t get me wrong. Some of us realize that we have no choice, but the onus should have never been on our shoulders.
People like yourself are likely grateful for Trump if you ask me. Why stop him prior to the elections if possible when you can use him to forcefully fearmonger with real threats? You enjoy being able to grab the average American liberals face and shove it in the direction of Trump and say, “Look, this is what’s going to happen. Side with me or else.” The reality is that if we had two sane candidates and the DNC candidate wasn’t to our liking, then we’d be able to look away.
You know what the international radical left really watched with abject horror? They watched our political system and its corrupt officials allow Trump to get this far to begin with all so you could pin the blame on voters.
So we can start shifting the country back to the left? It took the right 70 years to pull off what they have. I honestly don’t expect “the left” to be able to reverse it in any less. You have a lot of should’s and need-to’s in you comments but not a lot of “going to” or “do’s,” I think that’s really emblematic of the issue. The other commenter is right, you see yourself as “the actual left” even though you likely don’t actually participate in the process in any real way. You essentially do not exist to pols because you don’t actually use your voice, yet you get to preach to actual progressives who are trying to change things.
Yeah, I love trying to explain basic civics to the terminally online and apathetic.
I agree, unfortunately mobilizing the base (that’s you) to actually push for these changes is difficult. “The left” is plagued by in-fighting and it’s difficult to get them to agree on a goal much less the means to accomplish it. A couple states have implemented RCV and more are becoming aware of it. Organizers have pretty decent luck pushing things at a state-level if they can get their positions before the people but of course the right has every motivation to just maintain the status quo.
You took the time to dig through my post history, so clearly you’d know I have intentions of voting, that I have voted before, and that I don’t simply vote in big elections, but rather at various different levels. I’m trying just as hard as you are, I’m just more understanding of those that aren’t, and I’m not defending all of my preferred candidates choices.
But hey, reading is difficult. Easier to come online and be an asshole.
I simply have more understanding of the general voting base. I’m not out of touch. Maybe if the moderates were capable of such they could convince people to vote.
Also do some self-reflection. You need it with the amount of hypocrisy you just blatantly dropped.
People like myself? Like anarchists? Who don’t live in the US?
Why would we be “grateful for Trump”
You missed the point.
Anyways, I had no idea you weren’t from this country. It’s a bit hard to tell with how passionate you are about our politics.