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Israel-Palestine Conflict

If you have evidence of Israeli crimes and atrocities that you wish to preserve, there is a thread here in which to do so.

Sources on the fighting in Palestine against Israel. In general, CW for footage of battles, explosions, dead people, and so on:

UNRWA daily-ish reports on Israel’s destruction and siege of Gaza and the West Bank.

English-language Palestinian Marxist-Leninist twitter account. Alt here.
English-language twitter account that collates news (and has automated posting when the person running it goes to sleep).
Arab-language twitter account with videos and images of fighting.
English-language (with some Arab retweets) Twitter account based in Lebanon. - Telegram is @IbnRiad.
English-language Palestinian Twitter account which reports on news from the Resistance Axis. - Telegram is @EyesOnSouth.
English-language Twitter account in the same group as the previous two. - Telegram here.

English-language PalestineResist telegram channel.
More telegram channels here for those interested.

Various sources that are covering the Ukraine conflict are also covering the one in Palestine, like Rybar.

Russia-Ukraine Conflict

Examples of Ukrainian Nazis and fascists
Examples of racism/euro-centrism during the Russia-Ukraine conflict

Sources:

Defense Politics Asia’s youtube channel and their map. Their youtube channel has substantially diminished in quality but the map is still useful. Moon of Alabama, which tends to have interesting analysis. Avoid the comment section.
Understanding War and the Saker: reactionary sources that have occasional insights on the war.
Alexander Mercouris, who does daily videos on the conflict. While he is a reactionary and surrounds himself with likeminded people, his daily update videos are relatively brainworm-free and good if you don’t want to follow Russian telegram channels to get news. He also co-hosts The Duran, which is more explicitly conservative, racist, sexist, transphobic, anti-communist, etc when guests are invited on, but is just about tolerable when it’s just the two of them if you want a little more analysis.
On the ground: Patrick Lancaster, an independent and very good journalist reporting in the warzone on the separatists’ side.

Unedited videos of Russian/Ukrainian press conferences and speeches.

Pro-Russian Telegram Channels:

Again, CW for anti-LGBT and racist, sexist, etc speech, as well as combat footage.

https://t.me/aleksandr_skif ~ DPR’s former Defense Minister and Colonel in the DPR’s forces. Russian language.
https://t.me/Slavyangrad ~ A few different pro-Russian people gather frequent content for this channel (~100 posts per day), some socialist, but all socially reactionary. If you can only tolerate using one Russian telegram channel, I would recommend this one.
https://t.me/s/levigodman ~ Does daily update posts.
https://t.me/patricklancasternewstoday ~ Patrick Lancaster’s telegram channel.
https://t.me/gonzowarr ~ A big Russian commentator.
https://t.me/rybar ~ One of, if not the, biggest Russian telegram channels focussing on the war out there. Actually quite balanced, maybe even pessimistic about Russia. Produces interesting and useful maps.
https://t.me/epoddubny ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/boris_rozhin ~ Russian language.
https://t.me/mod_russia_en ~ Russian Ministry of Defense. Does daily, if rather bland updates on the number of Ukrainians killed, etc. The figures appear to be approximately accurate; if you want, reduce all numbers by 25% as a ‘propaganda tax’, if you don’t believe them. Does not cover everything, for obvious reasons, and virtually never details Russian losses.
https://t.me/UkraineHumanRightsAbuses ~ Pro-Russian, documents abuses that Ukraine commits.

Pro-Ukraine Telegram Channels:

Almost every Western media outlet.
https://discord.gg/projectowl ~ Pro-Ukrainian OSINT Discord.
https://t.me/ice_inii ~ Alleged Ukrainian account with a rather cynical take on the entire thing.


  • Greenleaf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    I can’t find an article that explicits says so, but it looks like by my math every House democrat voted in favor of sending tens of billions of $ to Ukraine and Taiwan. So that includes AOC but also Cori Bush, Ilhan Omar, and Rashida Tlaib.

    It could be as simple as these “progressives” don’t want to upset the apple cart with DNC leadership; or have to explain why they broke from the party. Possible - but unlikely - that these social fascists recognize how important US and NATO hegemony is the preserve imperial spoils.

    Honestly though, I feel like the answer is as simple as:

    USA good

    Russia bad

    China bad

    I was watching the super lib “Handmaids Tale” last night (not really by choice). Gilead - the former USA turned into an evil religious conservative state - shoots down some planes from the old, “good” US government. One of the Gilead leaders says “we’ve already been congratulated by the Russians, Chinese, and North Koreans for sticking it to the Americans”. The episode finished with a schmaltzy scene of Americans reciting the pledge of allegiance. And made me think… libs really just see Russia and China as “bad”, and are utterly incapable of seeing the USA as anything other the good guys who occasionally get it wrong but it’s nobody’s fault, really. Russia and China bad because “authoritarianism” and any reason they have for hating us isn’t based on material reality but because they hate the goodness we represent.

    I have met a few House reps in my life, and know people who know some of them even better. I can tell you with a high level of confidence that these people as group don’t have a level of geopolitical understanding that’s any higher than your typical college-educated American. This news megathread alone operates on a level these people will never think at. They cannot (and refuse to) see American imperialism. The US is good and these “authoritarian” countries are bad. NATO keeps the world safe. Taiwan should be free. These cliches are the terms in which libs - including those who make policy decisions - think at and it never goes beyond that.

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      I can tell you with a high level of confidence that these people as group don’t have a level of geopolitical understanding that’s any higher than your typical college-educated American.

      This is my experience with British MPs too. In fact, much less so that your typical college educated Brit now, because all they got taught then was end of history, totalitarianism defeated, freedom wins, prosperity forever. This isn’t to let them off the hook though, because they choose to be fundamentally uncurious and are incentivised and rewarded for ignorantly spouting whatever their supposed betters in the political heirarchy tell them to.

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      I can tell you with a high level of confidence that these people as group don’t have a level of geopolitical understanding that’s any higher than your typical college-educated American. They cannot (and refuse to) see American imperialism

      Michael Hudson was hired by a neocon institute to explain American imperialism and dollar hegemony to the US president, and the CIA was the largest customer base for his books explaining those things lol.

  • Redbolshevik2 [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    People need to understand class interest beyond “worker good, Capitalist bad, workers come together and sing kumbaya really hard until Communism happens.”

    If it were that simple, we would be living in Communism right. It’s not that simple. A couple of examples: steel worker union wants the price of steel to be as high as possible so union members are compensated well. Union of… idk, pipe builders want steel to be as cheap as possible for obvious reasons. Despite both groups consisting exclusively of proles, they have contradictory interests.

    Another example that’s been highlighted by recent DSA actions: class reproduction. Academic “Marxists” generally lose all radicalism because they’ve secured a position where they can write for a living instead of doing one of the million jobs that no one wants to do. This applies perhaps even more strongly to paid positions within “Socialist” organizations. Why did Maria of the DSA behave with such profound chauvinism on the Cuba trip? Because she sees a path out of working for a living. Everything she did established credibility in the eyes of the people who hire Democratic Party staffers.

    And the single most important example in the world today: Americans. A nation ostensibly composed of the working class like any other, yet all but the most vulnerable of its population are so profoundly bribed with the superprofits of the actual global working class that their interests have been thoroughly aligned with the status quo. They constitute a parasitic class on the world stage. Why do the most useless counter-revolutionary tendencies (LeftCommunism, Council Communism, Trotskyism, Neokautskyism) come exclusively from the West? Because the population does not, for the most part, experience revolutionary conditions. They don’t need to do a revolution because they will be fine no matter what.

    And this isn’t some wild, new, 21st century theory. No less than Marx, Engels, and Lenin all described the parasitic nature of British “workers” and their attempt to secure well-being on the backs of the global proletariat: “…The English proletariat is actually becoming more and more bourgeois, so that this most bourgeois of all nations is apparently aiming ultimately at the possession of a bourgeois aristocracy and a bourgeois proletariat alongside the bourgeoisie. For a nation which exploits the whole world this is of course to a certain extent justifiable.”

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    whos that one conspiracy person on here who kept talking about flooding west asia with foreign aid dollars to reinstate dollar hegemony? they just passed ur bill lol

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    I don’t know how many of you beloved news mega Hexbears even know my name, but I wanted to tell you that this chad n cuck ranker is going to become a father in a few months. This is the main reason that I’ve been absent recently, my wife is having quite a difficult pregnancy and it’s really hard for us both to prepare to raise a child far away from our homelands with barely any bigger family structure. It’s a boy, but my wife isn’t liking my name suggestions. How can she not love suggestions like Nasrallah, Qassam and Shahid-136.

    To keep it news related, I’ve been getting into the Ukrainian war again and it’s finally exciting to follow the line moving. Learning new names like Krasnogorovka, Netailove, Ocheretyne has been great, and now I’m excited to see what insane Soviet industrial achievement is in Chasiv Yar after the salt mines of Soledar, the coke plant of Avdiivka and the Azot mining complex in Severodonetsk. It has been also fantastic to finally see some of the most annoying battles end, like what was the point of Ivanivske, Marinka and Pervomaiske after all this time. Inshallah one day I can stop hearing about Synkivka, Ugledar and Robotyne, the line freezing there for so long deeply annoys me.

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    Apparently Tucker interviewed some Palestinian priest? Haven’t watched it and I know it’s part of his appeal to Christonationalist freaks, but I’m still kind of shocked he did it.

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    Welcome to fanfiction hour, courtesy of Pepe Escobar.

    spoiler

    Pepe, in a 1 million view tweet, has recently alleged that a “very high level intel source” from Asia, but not Russia or China, has informed him that Israel’s initial plan to respond to Iran was to detonate a nuclear bomb over Iran to cause an EMP which would wipe out the electronics of the whole country. They sent an F-35 with its nuclear cargo flying towards Iran, but once it left Jordanian airspace, Russia proceeded to shoot down the F-35. Now, every country involved is maintaining silence about this, and Israel’s lackluster response later on was essentially them scrambling to put something together once Plan A failed.

    Scott Ritter has responded:

    Israel would never take such a precipitous action. Not only would it provide public acknowledgment of Israeli nuclear weapons capability, thereby putting Israel in open violation of existing agreements between it and the U.S., it would also put Israel in violation of the 1968 Outer Space Treaty prohibiting the deployment and/or use of nuclear weapons in space and the Biden administration’s recent admonishments in this regard. Moreover, the scenario describes makes no sense in terms of the characterization of the weapons involved, both in terms of the alleged Russian-Israeli engagement, and what Israel would hope happens regarding EMP. This is, in every way shape and form nonsensical reporting.

    I think if you’re trying to assert that Israel wouldn’t do something just because of a little minor nuisance to them like “laws”, then that’s a pretty weak argument. Not totally without merit, there are rational players still in the Israeli state somewhere or they’d be a few months deep into a losing war with Hezbollah by now, but a weak argument nonetheless.

    A very strange and hyperreactionary Twitter user who I very occasionally check up on to see how far they’ve gone off the deep end in the last few months, but who is unfortunately pretty knowledgeable about military matters (story of our goddamn lives in this megathread; Twitter-popular communist military nerd when?), has given a set of stronger reasons why this didn’t happen, and therefore what we would expect if Israel did indeed ever plan to attack Iran in a massive war scenario.

    1. Things have a chance of failing, especially when you’re talking about the F-35. It is extremely unlikely that Israel would send a single plane to launch a single bomb for a mission which, if it were to fuck up and fail in some way, may well cause the destruction of their entire nation under a rain of missiles. If Israel were to attack Iran like this, we would see multiple planes carrying multiple nukes flying at Iran to ensure that at least one of them managed to do the task.

    2. This plane would need support. You would need an escort, including other planes like AWACS. You would also need to refuel. There was a US refueling plane flying in southern Iraq on that day, as the pro-Pepe people claim - but there’s one there every day.

    3. If you were Israel, you would want to misdirect and cause chaos in Iran and the surrounding area to distract them and thus prevent them from taking countermeasures, like disconnecting vulnerable points in an EMP blast in their underground bases (which are, conveniently, at least partially shielded from EMPs). A drone attack consisting of a few drones would not be the required chaos. If anything, it would direct Iranian attention towards the sky. A terrorist attack by “ISIS” in a few Iranian cities at once would have been more effective.

    4. The US would know what Israel was doing, because Israel cannot act purely alone (it needs US refueling etc). Either it would force Israel to stand down (and thus the hypothetical nuke-laiden F-35 would never have flown at all), or the US would have decided to go along with it and help Israel by engaging Iraq and Syria and distracting Russia. This did not happen. The US also would have been able to detect a Russian plane taking off from an airbase to intercept the F-35 and would have either forced Israel to abort, or engage the Russian plane somehow.

    5. An EMP is generated by detonating a high-yield (1-10 megaton) thermonuclear bomb at high altitudes (at least 60 kilometers, but as high as 500 km). For complicated reasons, the effectiveness of EMPs depends on where you are on the planet due to variability in magnetic field strength. Magnetic field strength is higher at the poles (though there’s a lot of variability; there’s a less intense zone over the South Atlantic and a more intense zone over Australia despite being at about the same latitude for example). Russia and the United States are therefore, coincidentally, among the two most vulnerable countries to EMPs when just talking about magnetic field strength. Iran is somewhere in the middle of the spectrum

    Because of the lack of real testing into EMPs for obvious reasons, it is unknown precisely how far up or how big the bomb would have to be to cover Iran. The EMP would also decay with distance - this means that many military sites close to the borders would be less affected if you got it a little too small, thus ensuring a massive response from Iran which would destroy Israel too. Whereas if you got it a little too big, you could easily hit many other countries (in the Middle East - the supply of much of the planet’s oil!) and perhaps even Russia itself, which would possibly cause Russia to respond to Israel rapidly.

    1. Israel would probably deliver a nuclear payload with a Blue Sparrow missile. Assuming a 700 kg warhead capable of delivering 2 megatons, which is a reasonable guess as to the bomb size and yield you’d need to disable Iran assuming certain factors, it could just barely fit inside the missile. But no warhead of this magnitude with that relatively low weight has been reported outside of the now-discontinued Russian Topol-M. The most common nuke yield in the US arsenal is at about 500 kilotons, and the most powerful nuclear free-fall weapon in the US is the B83, at 1.2 megatons with a weight of over 1000 kilograms. So Israel would need to have done some pretty intense nuclear science to create a warhead that is both twice as strong and half as large as the most powerful US nuke. Not impossible, but there’s no reason to believe it.

    Scott himself has just responded further to Pepe with about the same arguments as to why Israel couldn’t perform this attack.

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    it’s rlly disturbing how we’re now in a place where we have a militarist, genocidal government in Germany taking part in a war against the Russians in Ukraine and mass-arresting dissidents, especially Jews as part of a genocide. the AfD coming to power at this point would be little more than a ceremonial coronation for Nazism in modern Germany.

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    The Copenhagen Exchange building is on fire. It’s iconic spire of coiled dragon tails which was part of the city’s skyline for 400 years has collapsed.

    Firefighters assisted by soldiers from the royal guards are scrambling to control the fire but the task is difficult as the old building has many hidden cavities and it’s copper roof is trapping the heat inside. The task is further complicated by scaffolding put up as part of an ongoing restoration.

    The landmark building is situated right next to the seat of parliament and was constructed in Dutch renaissance style in 1623 as a trading hall. It was Denmark’s first listed building and has housed business organisations for most of it’s history and has become a symbol of “respectable” capitalism. In 1918 unemployed syndicalists stormed the building, beating up the brokers with wooden clubs and hung a sign saying “The unemployed have closed the gambling den”.

    The building housed many historic artifacts, a large library and important works of art. First responders as well as random bystanders are working to save as much as possible from the flames but it is unlikely that everything can be saved.

    Large parts of the neighbouring Christiansborg Palace that houses parliament has been evacuated because of the fire although parliament continues it’s session.

    It is too early to say anything about the cause of the fire. There are no reports of injuries to persons.

    The fire is being compared to the Notre Dame fire in Paris and calls are being made for the mostly-destroyed building to be reconstructed. A reconstruction will be a difficult task as it requires heavily specialised niche skills that are almost extinct today and it is unclear how reconstruction of the privately owned building will be funded.

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    Sanctions renewed.

    The US government has announced that it will not renew license 44, which allowed Venezuela to sell oil to the market, easing the sanctions imposed by the US.

    As a result, the sanctions are back in full force. The United States considers that the country has violated the Barbados agreements, which deal with democratic elections in Venezuela, by preventing opposition candidates from registering as candidates.

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    Sy Hersh is claiming that the Pentagon went behind the White House’s back and basically negotiated Iran’s response with Russia acting as an intermediary. Seems pretty hard to believe. He also claims the attack did no real damage, which again, seems hard to believe given the media blackout and the videos we have all seen.

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    I’ve spent much of my career reporting on the American military’s misdeeds and worse, especially during the Vietnam War, but it’s time now to applaud the brilliance of the Pentagon planning staff and the operational officers who did what America assured Iran’s religious and military leadership it could do: allow Iran to respond to yet another Israeli assassination by flinging more than three hundred drones and missiles toward Israeli targets that as many as possible would be shot out of the sky before hitting ground there. It was a huge gamble, and it paid off.

    The Pentagon was essentially resisting—a word I choose to use—the foreign policy of the Biden White House and NATO by secretly approaching one of Iran’s closest allies—Russia—and persuading a senior general there to reassure Ayatollah Khamenei, Iran’s 84-year-old supreme leader, that America had the know-how to make the strategy succeed.

    Imagine it: two of the Biden administration’s most entrenched enemies—Russia and Iran—trusting and working with the Pentagon and its leadership to prevent a deadly retaliation for yet another Israeli assassination of an Iranian general and six other Iranians in Damascus.

    I am not allowed to name the American senior military officers and advisers who made the unusual faux missile attack happen. But it’s important to say that President Joe Biden, whose foreign policy team was not involved in the process, accepted the high-risk plan and publicly urged Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, whose political career and personal freedom depend on keeping the war in Gaza going, and the rest of the Israeli leadership not to respond to Iran. That they might launch a counterattack remains a possibility, of course, according to press reports in Israel.

    “The Pentagon planning staffs were asked to come up with a military solution to a political problem,” one involved official told me. “Otherwise the Ayatollah would attack and Bibi would do ‘his thing’ in response. We had to get involved now, and not later. And so we thought about where we are and where we wanted to be. And we got to be involved now, and not later. That meant we had to control the Iranian response.”

    The obvious fear was that Netanyahu’s response to a successful drone and missile attack would be, as in Gaza, overwhelming. A major Israeli retaliation could easily lead to an unwanted war in the Middle East.

    The senior planning staffs throughout the Pentagon had direct contacts with their peers throughout Europe, and there was immediate consultation with air force leaders in Europe that circumvented dealing with the political leadership there. “And who knew the Iranians the best?” the official asked rhetorically: “The Russians and the Brits.” Iran’s strongest ties in Europe are in fact with Britain and Russia, whose military leaders shared the concern about the extreme danger of an Iranian response to Israel.

    The senior planning staffs throughout the Pentagon had direct contacts with their peers throughout Europe, and there was immediate consultation with air force leaders in Europe that circumvented dealing with the political leadership there. “And who knew the Iranians the best?” the official asked rhetorically: “The Russians and the Brits.” Iran’s strongest ties in Europe are in fact with Britain and Russia, whose military leaders shared the concern about the extreme danger of an Iranian response to Israel.

    Out of these conversations evolved the ingenious plan: Why not get the air forces of our allies in Europe and the Middle East to agree to work together, under American leadership, and, with Iran’s approval, take advantage of the rapid progress in anti-missile and anti-drone defenses to let the Ayatollah fire off this missiles and have his revenge, while understanding the that air forces of America, Europe, and the Middle East would track and destroy them all?

    During the secret planning, the official said, America’s allies were told: “We are going to share all the information about the fired Iranian drones and missiles we collect.” There was a tough session with a senior Israeli official who was informed, the American official said, that Israel had two options: one,”win easy” and let the American coalition destroy the missiles; or two, “lose the hard way” and respond with violence to the failed attack. “If you chose the hard way,” the Israeli was told, “you’re on your own.”

    Throughout the process, Pentagon leaders were assembling their plan without formally consulting President Biden or anyone in the White House. “The White House only knew that the Iranians” wanted to respond in kind to the Israelis, the official said. At that early point in the military planning, he added, “the White House had no need to know more.”

    It was believed that there would never be formal approval for such a radical strategy, although Biden, to his credit, when later told that the Ayatollah had agreed to mute his revenge, publicly joined in urging the Israelis not to respond to the failed Iranian missile attack.

    The drones and missiles fired off by Iran were easy targets. An American fleet of Navy attack planes were augmented by fighters from Jordan, Britain, France, Saudi Arabia, and Israel, whose access to nearby air bases enabled them to get refueled and stay on the defense and in the air for hours. The Iranian leadership conveniently fired off its missiles and drones over a nine-hour period, adding to the success of the missile and drone hunters: the long interval gave some of the fighters a chance to refuel. Two American AWACs—specially equipped E-3 sentry planes—that had the most advanced warning and tracking systems were on station to help guide the missile-hunting aircraft to their targets. (The US Navy utilized its own versions of the AWACs: E-2 Hawkeyes). The American-led operation was a total success, with only a few weapons penetrating Israel’s borders. The only known casualty was a seven-year old Bedouin girl. She was struck and severely injured by shrapnel that fell through the roof of their home in the Negev desert, near Israel’s important Nevatim air base, where advanced aircraft are stationed that are capable of delivering nuclear weapons. It is thirty kilometers northwest of Dimona, the Israel nuclear reactor that has been churning out nuclear bombs for more than five decades.

    I was told by a knowledgeable Israeli that officials at the airfield were explicitly advised, presumably by Iran, that the missiles that fell near or at the airfield were not meant for the reactor at Dimona. The Israeli military officially released photographs of the damage to the grounds at the air base.

    The operation “had to have a zero scenario,” the American official told me, in terms of insuring that an Iranian ballistic missile did not escape the international armada and strike a major city in Israel. But, he added, “the guys who fly have a lot of faith and believe they can do anything with the AWACs. There was no margin of error.

    “It was gutsy.”

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      Hersh really has been godawful on this conflict compared to Russia and I don’t really know why. I remember one of his articles literally like a month or two after the offensive into Gaza started where he was just like “alright, so, now that Hamas has been completely defeated, now where does Israel go?” and here we are in mid-April 2024 and Hamas is still the unquestioned victor of the Battle of Gaza.

      Anybody remember the claims about how using bunker busters on the tunnels would work? Anybody remember the claims about how flooding the tunnels would work? I guess Hersh really just is a victim of his sources, so it’s just garbage in, garbage out

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    OSINTTM has concluded that the Israelis have decided on a method of retaliation but not a date. Seems like freshly evacuated bullshit to me but we’ll see. I’m leaning more towards they piss and moan about it for a month until everyone forgets about it and return their focus to speeding up the genocide.