What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?

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    it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do?

    If you fear him, why would you not assist in preventing his rise?

    If you give a shit about Palestine, why would you not support the better candidate for them? You think Trump will do anything to make this situation better?

    The logical fallacy at play here is so glaring I can’t believe these journalists are willing to put their name to it.

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      You’re out to sea if you think it would be any better under Trump. It would be the same. Palestine is fucked, but we don’t have to let Dems get away with genocide with zero consequences.

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        Biden somewhat dances around the idea of helping Palestinians, while Trump avoids referring to them as people. Both are terrible by any metric, but one is miles ahead.

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        If you honestly believe it would be the same:

        1. I’d get banned for telling you what I really think.

        2. That particular issue zeros out and Democrats are still better on literally every other issue.

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          If genocide costs the Dems the election, they will be forced to reevaluate their relationship with Israel, and they will think twice before doing something else similarly morally outrageous in the future. We need the Democratic Party to stand for human decency or this country is irredeemable because the Republicans certainly won’t. We must discipline the party, and if it doesn’t learn the lesson, it needs to be destroyed and replaced.

          When a government outspends every other military in the world by a factor of 3, it’s crucial that it have a conscience. Dissent voters are that conscience.

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        If we’re talking countries that are being attacked without cause, should we talk about how Trump doesn’t want to support Ukraine’s defense? You literally only care about one issue, don’t you? This whole election is riding on one point in a thousand possible issues to consider.

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          I care about 15,000 issues. Each one an innocent child murdered with American bombs.

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          Fair enough, but I think we’re borderline splitting hairs.

          delusion is a belief held with strong conviction despite superior evidence to the contrary.

          The word can be used in mental health contexts, but it’s in common usage as a synonym for “profoundly mistaken.” I can see the argument for calling it ableist, but it’s tenuous.

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                  Hello! I was curious, was this post going to be restored and the actual reported uncivil comment removed? From what I’m seeing, this reported comment is still up and active.

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                  Oh! I think you accidently removed the parent comment instead. I can still see the offending comment here:

                  Meanwhile, my app shows this:

                  I was actually one of the people who reported that comment.

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                    It’s weird in that, in the report log, when I click the comment that was removed, it’s somehow crosswired to your comment.

                    I think some stream got crossed there, I don’t want to risk restoring the comment that needs to be removed.

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        Are you fucking retarded? Trump amped this up by moving the capital of Israel to Jerusalem.

        Jesus Christ get a fucking clue.

        If Trump is elected Palestine is leveled.

        He literally said he’d “finish the job”

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          They’re being leveled now, soooo, what really changes? Tbh I’m not even convinced biden will make it stop in his second term, it’ll be back to business as usual.