- cross-posted to:
- news@hexbear.net
- cross-posted to:
- news@hexbear.net
The UN general assembly has voted overwhelmingly to back the Palestinian bid for full UN membership, in a move that signalled Israel’s growing isolation on the world stage amid global alarm over the war in Gaza and the extent of the humanitarian crisis in the strip. The move drew an immediate rebuke from Israel. Its envoy to the UN, Gilad Erdan, delivered a fiery denunciation of the resolution and its backers before the vote, and fed pages of the UN charter into a shredder. The Palestinian envoy, Riyad Mansour, highlighted that the vote was being held at a time when Rafah, Gaza’s southernmost city that is the last haven for many people, faced attack from Israeli forces
I mean if history started on October 7th.
Liberals also don’t seem to realize Hamas’s strategies of taking hostages, using tunnels and guerilla warfare etc are identical to the Viet Cong’s, and so are their goals of driving out the occupation to reunite their country.
Also, “israel” has had — and continues to have — thousands of Palestinians hostage in its prisons for the entire 75 years that this colony has existed.
The native people have every right to use whatever means necessary to resist an occupation. Decolonization is violent; if you don’t like it, don’t colonize in the first place.
While I support Palestine, I do not think the solution is to violently overthrow Israel and return Palestine to its historical borders.
In those 75 years, many Israeli people were born on this land, and it really is their home. Palestine returning those lands threatens their safety and rights, especially after all that Israel the state had done to the people of Palestine. It would be foolish to assume Hamas will be civil and respectful to the people of Israel in return.
Most citizens of Israel have not brought it upon themselves.
Palestine, though, should retain every bit of its territory before the latest war, and Israel should pay huge reparations to Gaza and open free passage for any goods, services and people to and from Gaza.
Palestinians only have one method of resistance left, and that’s violence. Telling them to not use it because Israelis might get hurt is, and I’m sorry to say this, frankly ridiculous. If Israelis don’t want to get hurt maybe they should give Palestinians the state they’ve been asking for for forty years. I understand your concern, but the onus to prevent this outcome is squarely on Israel; as colonized people Palestinians have the right to use all means necessary to obtain their freedom.
That said, you’re most likely worrying over nothing. Hamas doesn’t have the capability to overthrow Israel; their operations mostly serve to lose Israel face on the international stage. The only scenario in which Israel falls is if America completely leaves it out to the wolves and the middle east tears it apart, which is extremely unlikely.
Okay I understand the reflex to explain how governments don’t represent their people, but look at this and you might wanna reconsider. Netanyahu didn’t come out of nowhere; he came in when the only man in Israeli history who had the potential to actually end the conflict was assassinated (after Netanyahu and his ilk went in parades calling for his assassination) and since then it’s all been genocidal maniacs (save for one guy in 2008 who still didn’t have the guts to actually do something worthwhile), mostly Netanyahu himself. Now I don’t believe in “push the Zionists into the sea” rhetoric, and the only time it was realistic was in 49’ anyway, but the conduct of the Israeli public these past few months in particular and in the past 30 years in general has been nothing short of fucking disgusting. If Israel does fall and they’re persecuted by the new regime, anyone who wasn’t explicitly pushing for peace (and children and the like of course) is getting nothing but Schafenfreude from me.
All of this is excluding foreign-born citizens of Israel; anyone who willingly went to that place and isn’t explicitly calling for peace is a piece of shit.
I see your point (might not necessarily agree), thanks!
Wait so this concept is only valid for Israelis?
Nope, relates to everyone, Palestinians included.
So you’re saying that Israel has no right to exist?
-Israeli government when they hear that, probably
Lol yea, but do you see the contradiction between
and a state being established through the ethnic cleansing of Palestine? Israel spends a lot of money on PR to whitewash that.
I recognize this fact, just as I recognize the US being built on the genocide of native Americans, or China going through genocides to expand westward, or Russia being built on conquering entire damn Siberia (with quite some bloodshed), or, idk, Roman Empire being built on enslaving just about everyone everywhere.
But those new people are not the ones who did that; Israel is now dominated by people who were just born there, holding no direct relation to the events back then. I have no sorrow for those of them who cry for the continued genocide in Palestine; but we’ve seen many voices from within Israel calling for de-escalation of the conflict, for ceasefire, for peace. And they do not deserve to suffer the same fate as it falls on the shoulders of current Palestinians. Neither do Palestinians, of course.