• Flying Squid@lemmy.worldM
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    1 month ago

    What is the maximum number of children that it acceptable for Israel to kill in order to accomplish its objectives? Is there no ceiling? Any number of children is acceptable as long as Hamas is wiped out?

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      1 month ago

      If you present me with a trolley problem in which the only way to destroy Hamas also kills a million children, I won’t know what the right answer is. I suppose it would depend on what would happen to Israel if Hamas wasn’t destroyed.

      However, the moral calculus for nations is not the same as it is for individuals. The standard established the last time the Western world fought a war it took seriously does seem to be “as many as it takes” and I suspect that this would still be the standard if such a war happened again. (All those nuclear missiles we have ready aren’t precise weapons…) In that context, demanding that Israel should show restraint that other countries haven’t and wouldn’t seems like hypocrisy.

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        1 month ago

        If you present me with a trolley problem in which the only way to destroy Hamas also kills a million children, I won’t know what the right answer is

        Seriously? You don’t know?

        Because I would say most people on this planet would say don’t kill the million children.

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          1 month ago

          It’s easy to act self-righteous when that has no consequences, but in practice most people on this planet live in countries (including democratic countries) that probably would actually kill the children in an analogous scenario.

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            1 month ago

            Okay? But this was about you, not the governments that run those countries. You said you wouldn’t know what the right answer is.

            The right answer is obviously don’t kill a million children and the fact that you don’t realize that it’s obvious is highly disturbing to say the least.