• Muffi@programming.dev
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    6 months ago

    “Our resources are limited, fear is all we have” is literally Paul rationalising terrorism

    • LordSinguloth@lemmy.ca
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      5 months ago

      There are two kinds of dune fans.

      Those who think Paul is a good guy, and those who read the second two books

      • Cethin@lemmy.zip
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        5 months ago

        He’s still not a villain, like some like to say, but definitely not the good guy we all think of when we use that term. He’s a kid who was put into a horrible situation with no good outcome. He sacrificed his humanity to try to guide the rest of humanity on the best path. Humans were just flawed because they wanted a glorious leader and they needed to learn not to trust someone with that much power.

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    6 months ago

    How is dune woke? The main character is a white guy. He cares about honour, doing the right thing, being strong and self dependent even in the face of adversary. He’s also the best and get treated as the best. The women are lying bitches who can’t be trusted. The natives can’t sort their shit out and need a white savour.

    • FrenchThrowAway@jlai.luOP
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      6 months ago

      The goal of Herbert’s books is exactly to denounce this, the religious savior works wonders by accomplishing the religious goals efficiently, but it turns into a nightmare as the people becomes fanatics and the leader too powerful. This second part starts at the end of the first book (around Villeneuve’s second movie), and it’s in my opinion what makes Dunes a meaningful story and not just another space Opera

    • techingtenor
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      6 months ago

      Lol you clearly have only seen the movies or read the first book. Paul is definitely not doing the right thing, something he himself clearly states. Also Frank Herbert was woke for a middle to upper class white dude from the 60s so he still had some weird opinions about women but you’ve definitely missed the mark on his feelings about indigenous people. Dune is a satire of Lawrence of Arabia but the satire isnt fully evident without the third part to the story in dune messiah. Paul is a criticism of white saviors generally but specifically he is satire of charismatic leaders who wield their followings for terrible purposes. He sorts the natives shit out right into millions upon millions of them dying for a cause that doesnt really change their day to day lives.

  • LordSinguloth@lemmy.ca
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    5 months ago

    Frank was extremely homo phobic as well as racist.

    You see him come to terms with the former in the fourth book.