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It’s true though. They’re not nazis. They’re incapable of being fired by any fundamentally political or spiritual ideals, no matter how ultimately black and nihilistic, at all. Even if these people were full-throated card-carrying members of the American Nazi party marching through Times Square with a swastika flag throwing out copies of Der Sturmer from a Panzer tank they wouldn’t be nazis. The fact is that they’re just the purest distillation of 20th-21st century media culture yet: they’re so utterly saturated in media that the only choice they’ve made, the only choice available to them, was whether to lean into the goodie or the baddie vibe, and they plumped for “baddie” because it suited their contrarian aesthetic and then, without even leaving a ripple on the surface, they slipped into the role and inhabited it so thoroughly that it is, literally, indistinguishable from who they are.
These people are nothing less, and 100% nothing more, than your childish glee at getting to play the villain in an RPG.
Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed. That word is “Nazi.”
I’m saying this goes further!
Actually I feel kind of irked that this reply seems to just miss the part at the end of the paragraph that says “it is, literally, indistinguishable from who they are”
I didn’t miss it. I just don’t see any need to be elaborate about the word nazi, although I do appreciate what a crushingly insulting description of them you gave
Scholars of fascism and nazism do it all the time! The target of quotes like that is supposed to be those who deliberately muddy the waters. The “call a nazi a nazi” principle is a blunt instrument, and there are other tools in the anti-nazi kit.
[some hours later…] ah, the quote is from AR Moxon, whom I happen to know is both (a) not remotely averse to going deeper on what makes the nazis, (b) distinctly averse to not going deeper
Paraphrasing Santayana, we must understand why people become fascist, or else we will not understand how to prevent ourselves from making the same mistakes of dehumanization and black-and-white reasoning which characterize their piss-poor attempts at logic.
p-zombies, but nazis
Dead Snow, but more pee
Oops:
Dead Yellow Snow
“Not Like Us” was less scathing than this. Fucking hell.
These people are nothing less, and 100% nothing more, than your childish glee at getting to play the villain in an RPG.
I’m pretty certain I get more glee from my RP than they ever experienced in their lives.
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you would never see a scene like this in a Nazi household
note non-fiction Chekhov’s gun on the mantel
complete with the least stable-looking, most crooked display stand I’ve ever seen
it kinda looks like turkish over/under, not very patrotic of them (cheapest in category)
ok so this is driving me crazy
am I weird for thinking the circle of candles in the fireplace (in a house that’s allegedly unbearably cold) is weird?
is this… are these motherfuckers roleplaying a dril tweet
It’s weird, but it’s normal weird. It’s the kind of thing you see in design magazines and pinterest and the spruce. I don’t know if actual rich people do it but it’s definitely fairly normal middlebrow home decor.
(A lot of fireplaces in older US buildings are vestigial, often blocked up, and are inefficient at heating.)
it’s also definitely the sort of shit you see in some midmarket airbnb’s (because it’s in design/pinterest/etc magazines)
The prose on that The Spruce link makes me hate the concepts of design, aesthetics, and houses.
“24 Ideas for Putting Candles in a Fireplace” sounds like a McSweeney’s headline.
Reaching through my screen into this photo so I can pull out the rifle and shoot myself
Who thought it would be a good idea to keep that in a household with 3 kids under 5. Is it just so they can flash it at Republicans and win primary votes??
Fuck this hyperreal composition. Dalí is spinning in his grave.
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my husband and I are just trying to repopulate the world
Gee, I wonder what about the time period from 2015 to 2020 would have prompted the transformation from “occasional youtuber who goofily wears fascinators and cute nerdy graphic tees” to “hugo boss chic”. Must have just been her own changing tastes, couldn’t possibly be related to anything else.
The video title “A Pragmatist’s Take on Small Talk” would be much better if it were William James giving advice on navigating the social niceties. Step 1: this hat.
hot damn.
The middle picture looks very much like a young lesbian couple.
Not that there’s anything wrong with lesbian couples of any age. It’s just with this pair it’s… odd.
I can’t help it. I see a picture of them and it’s like a puzzle I need to solve.
That guy sits like he’s allergic to the back of chairs.
He looks like a dog that’s just been shown a treat.
You can’t see it but he has a biscuit balanced on his nose.
Serious business about serious stuff.
When I played dress up in my grandparents ancient clothes, it was the posture I would take so people would take me seriously. But I have changed a lot since last week.
Something something poker up his backside.
again. NOT Nazis.
Now is the time on Sprockets when we dance
we’re actually very liberal
What maniac hangs out around the house in a goddamn suit and tie?
Where are the bed sheets?
Also, where are the family photos? Framed art? Kid drawings?
Edit: Cobra Commander and the Baroness at home in a GI-Joe movie directed by Michael Bay circa 2008.
Edit2: Evil Sean Astin
Edit3: I’ve never seen a three-piece suit with dungarees. It’s the mullet of suits: business on the top, party on the bottom.
I’m sorry, I’m being awfully mean and petty on the internet today.
the kids have to thunderdome it out for recognition, and then they have to pay for the photos with their own money that they earned in their weekend jobs (you know, the ones they get to do after their homejobs all week). just like in a perfectly normal family!
The children yearn for the mines
absolutely staggered me when I found out that post was unironic
Ya, I looked up that guys feed and it was all frog posting. Like literally 50% frogs and 50% white woman sieg hieling
I didn’t know it wasn’t ironic until this comment
Edit3: I’ve never seen a three-piece suit with dungarees. It’s the mullet of suits: business on the top, party on the bottom.
I came here the other day to post this. Just bizarre.
Also knee-high boots in the living room while playing with her kids.
But with jeans on!?
Mr Burns (seated) and Smithers.
You are out for blood this morning
Can someone please help me understand?
So these two are cosplaying as humans?
spot on
Two self described Neo-Alt-Conservatives who claim that white people need to populate more rather than allow immigrants from Africa.
That’s a lot of words to avoid saying “shitty nazis”, hope you didn’t sprain something
nah, read fine as Nazi to me
???
They’re pieces of shit regardless of which words I didn’t call them. You think my informing you of their racist ideology was an endorsement or something? Careful with those mental gymnastics, you’ll hurt yourself.
“self-described” without a description of your own, “neo-alt-conservatives” with no/floating definition, and “who claim” without counter
you literally just made a loose collection of statements, in what could plausibly be interpreted (and then expounded on) in a completely new/different way entirely depending on how your message was received. and if you did even the slightest bit of fucking reading you wouldn’t even be trying to claim that you’re informing me of anything. but thanks for trying
like literally whether you meant to or not, you made an extremely swing-able post, and that’s all I’m calling you out on
You replied to yourself, btw.
If you needed me to tell you they were bad people after telling you what they believe, then you’re not really worth the energy to be perfectly frank. They are literally racial supremacists trying to fuck the planet over by supporting population growth in a time of widespread inequality and war. You don’t need me to go through the thesaurus of insults to understand how bad they are. You’re an adult, you should be able to piece this grand puzzle together on your own.
There’s an actual explanation in the original article about some of the wardrobe choices. It’s even dumber, and it involves effective altruism.
It is a very cold home. It’s early March, and within 20 minutes of being here the tips of some of my fingers have turned white. This, they explain, is part of living their values: as effective altruists, they give everything they can spare to charity (their charities). “Any pointless indulgence, like heating the house in the winter, we try to avoid if we can find other solutions,” says Malcolm. This explains Simone’s clothing: her normal winterwear is cheap, high-quality snowsuits she buys online from Russia, but she can’t fit into them now, so she’s currently dressing in the clothes pregnant women wore in a time before central heating: a drawstring-necked chemise on top of warm underlayers, a thick black apron, and a modified corset she found on Etsy. She assures me she is not a tradwife. “I’m not dressing trad now because we’re into trad, because before I was dressing like a Russian Bond villain. We do what’s practical.”
Yes and that’s obviously lies, as anyone who has grown up with limited income in a cold area can tell them. Cheap, warm clothing is not bought online (in the US) from Russia, and never from Etsy. In the US it’s bought — if you’re buying new at all! — from Target or Kohl’s or some other big chain. You get layers, you get things used when you can, and the cheapest way to dress warmly is the most normie, uninteresting clothes that are mass produced and sold in low end department stores.
Nothing they describe is practical or cheap. It’s cosplay Kinder, Küche, Kirche, and the journalist repeated it verbatim because she’s a chump.
Kinder, Küche, Kosplay?
But a tie is so cheap and keeps you warm!1!!.
They reek evil impersonators who’ll try to rip people off. Rip vulnerable off.
And I don’t even know who they are.
Grew up in fairly rural upstate New York, where you can expect lots of snow and you can unironically envy neighbors who have working Franklin stoves when the power goes out.
I can confirm all of the above, plus: if you are lucky enough to have an Army-Navy surplus store around, one of your handmedowns is likely to be an N3B parka. Definitely not Russian or German or stylish. But it will keep everything above your thighs warm, except your hands. The pockets are uninsulated.
Oh man, I once bought the most glorious winter coat at an army-navy store. Lightweight, cheap, and so warm.
Once I had money I discovered the glory of high-quality thermals, but if you don’t have money and live in a cold house, you try to keep at least one room warm with a lot of closed doors, plastic on the windows and draft stopper door snakes if the house is drafty, warm socks, layers. Nobody without money is buying pregnancy corsets from Etsy to stay warm, what the shit is that.
@gnomicutterance @Architeuthis
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@gnomicutterance @Architeuthis
Sorry, what is the context of this comment?
Mastodon separated it from whatever it was you are replying to and your words caught my curiosity.
lemmy thread here: https://awful.systems/post/1596726 which spun off from here: https://awful.systems/post/1587716
Thanks!
The context thread has now magically appeared above the post, so I don’t know what the heck is happening in the pipes. Maybe just a really long delay loading, but I ain’t no expert.
yeah, delay-loads in fedi are a thing occasionally
@Phosphenes @gnomicutterance @Architeuthis I had no problem finding the context by clicking on the post. Mastodon web interface. What client are you using?
@gerikson @Phosphenes @gnomicutterance @Architeuthis I too can’t see the context. Mastodon default UI on techhub.social.
If I copy the post link and open in a new tab I see this is hosted on a very different looking UI, with a ‘show context ->’ link which does what it says on the tin.
@gerikson @Phosphenes @gnomicutterance @Architeuthis Oh and *now* if I look at what *was* the top-level toot I could see here I can see the actual context.
Just Mastodon/fediverse being itself I guess ?
@AthanSpod @gerikson @gnomicutterance @Architeuthis
No all software is infallible and you and I are the only crazy ones. 😉
@gerikson @gnomicutterance @Architeuthis
Chrome web browser.
@gnomicutterance @Architeuthis dude find the second hand store the snow birds and skiers dump their shit at and you’re frickin golden for life.
Warm clothes instead of heating is great, but they manage to subvert it in a very EA way. The way they talk about it sounds almost Calvinist. I wonder if they have some equivalent of the secret TV in the attic.
There’s no reason to believe they live this way in reality. None of these profiles do any actual journalism. None of them investigate whether their claims about their childhood are true. This one doesn’t even talk to the neighbors who theoretically live next door for free (and do the unpaid childcare). This is stenography of neo-fash influencers self-described life and there’s no reason to believe any of it.
It’s just practical, don’t worry about it.
that gives a whole new facet to the meaning of “cold upbringing”.
have they never heard of this miraculous material called styrofoam
It’s like mirror universe Niles and Maris
unfortunately had to slap my youngest child, hyperion dipshit, in the target parking lot today after he failed to show proper respect to a cybertruck. before you call that abuse, just ask my other children, aryan chlamydia and maximus trifecta what they think
confiscating Adeptus Mechanus’s iPad to teach him a lesson about makers and takers
cursed subskeet is what we plan to name our fourth child
Why are you posting stills of Man in the High Castle to sneerclub, I don’t get it
The biggest issue with these people is they use “reason and logic” to arrive at their belief, but literally fail to connect dots because of their removal from reality.
the problem is most acute in countries that are “technophilic, pluralistic, educated, where women have rights”.
It’s not because women have rights though. It’s because rich fucks like his mentor Musk absorbs the majority of prosperity in nations. If there’s no hope, there’s no reason to continue.
The only places where the birthrate is not falling to unsustainable levels are countries where the average citizen earns less than $5,000 (£4,000) a year
And this isn’t even true. Places like India, even the poorest of the poor regions, are seeing their population boom quickly decline. So while technically they haven’t hit negative values, they’re already moving in that direction.
Whenever you hit max value for a resource, you’ve hit peak that resource, and humanity has hit peak humanity in terms of how the various governments and economic systems view value in their fellow mankind. Economic systems have no additional value to give (or value that they WANT to give) to human beings. There’s just no additional investment going into that resource. We’ve hit peak humanity in an economic sense, so there’s just zero reason for something to grow if nothing is being invested into it.
This would be clear to this couple if their heads weren’t so far up their asses.
Not a mention in the article of the impact of pollution on fertility, which isn’t inconsiderable.
Two factors that have made the birth rate go down are a) greater access to contraception and abortion for women and b) reduced numbers of teenage pregnancies. Of course forced births and forced labour are a-ok with these two.
Meh, personally I think pollution impacts on fertility might be overblown. Not in any way negligible, just overrated.
For example, microplastics are being found everywhere now but widespread plastic use was about 1/6th the current levels over 40 years ago so you would expect it to have been an issue going back decades. Methane emissions also cause birth defects and loss of fertility, but states with refineries and flare stacks also have higher rates of teen mothers (unintuitive correlation of conservative policies).
On the other hand, the fastest growing populations are places such as the middle east with low to nonexistent women’s rights, while the slowest growing are places with women in positions of power and education. In 1994 in Cairo the United Nations came up with a plan to curb poverty and starvation in the region by limiting population growth by… checks notes* educating women.
That all said: Population Decline is a good thing. It should decline. 200 years ago we had a billion people, and we had flourishing arts and sciences and engineering marvels such as the London Underground, typewriters, trains and canals across continents, the first Soda Fountain. Less people doesn’t hinder humanity in any feasible way. More people is going to kill this planet.
Sorry for the rant.
Both of them require glasses. I guess the master race has astigmatism.
as well as boot nazis and tie nazis, I propose a third classification: horrible locker-friendly dweebs like this
I think it’s cute when siblings dress to match.
Yeah that lady and her son look real nice.
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