That Logitech joystick model was a staple HID (Human Interface Device) and wireless peripheral for many robotics researchers and corporations. Pairing and range was better than any 2010’s Bluetooth, and more compatible than OEM or hobby grade RF controllers. So many ROS projects used those. If both Xbox and PS DualShock controllers get cought amidst similar public ridicule, then we’ll have nothing left! 🎮🙃

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    I remember using them in my high school robotics club. And honestly, I think the controller was probably one of the least sketchy things about the sub. Lots of fields use game controllers to handle equipment since they’re well designed for that. There were many other things that were far worse.

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      Yep, I’ve seen reporting of Navy’s using them for controlling periscopes on submarines (now that most are drive by wire), or Air forces using them for piloting drones, as well as for teleoperated robotic thoracic surgeries.

      The widespread user familiarity and benefits in transferable hand coordination skills with common gaming based HID economics is hard to refute. Although, I’m guessing the market for safety certified joysticks will uptick.

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        to be fair no one in their right mind would use a wireless controller for something like a submersible

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        I mean they are all using first party xbox controllers, not a logitech knockoff that sucked even 10 years ago compared to first party 360 controllers.

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    That wasn’t the dumb part of that submersible. Game controllers are actually really good at what they do. The dumb part is that it was built like an airplane.

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    Ok, but how many of those projects will result in death if one of the thumb sticks gets stuck or if the Bluetooth loses signal?

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      If it results in death when the controller stops working, you have a serious issue with the system architecture and should work on that instead of trying to improve the controller.

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        If it results in death when the controller steering wheel stops working, you have a serious issue with the system architecture

        Not everything has to be idiot proof. I’ll settle for structurally sound

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      Out in the wild? Perhaps quite a few. For example, for teleoperated robotic thoracic surgeries, I imagine medical grade HID should mandate safety certified hardware that doesn’t rely on electrically noisy mechanical potentiometers, subject to Dead zone drift, or non-deterministic dead man behavior under failure modes. Although I’m certain there’s various reasons not to use hall effect sensing devices even within the same facility as MRI machines.

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      Maybe you add an extra controller. But that’s already pushing it, because as people already said, you losing the controller shouldn’t be fatal.

      IMO, it would better if there was a wired one. But you wont get anything more reliable than a high-quality mass produced item. The controller is not one of the problems with that sub.

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    There’s so many input devices that have drivers baked into the modern Linux kernels that I’ve not had an issue using any device in the past 10 years (wired or wireless/Bluetooth). Sometimes that device requires windows for some companion software (like to control rgb), but input functionality still just works.

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      Yeah, it was real nice once the kernel modules for PS DS3/4 finally shipped with Android’s mainline. Although, it’s still a pain that one needs to recompile the module to disable the rumble or LED when games using the device do not expose user level override settings.

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      If I recall, this controller was wireless via Logitech’s proprietary 2.4Ghz USB dongle, but yes, weird would be better. I’m also surprised they still used wireless due to battery concerns, such as being an additional fire hazard in a confined space, or unexpected power loss during critical maneuvers, and not just from the connectivity liability of RF.

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        I thought I read that the pilot/CEO kept back up controllers on the craft, in case something went wrong with the first. But that still seems janky to me, lol. Wired would make me a lot more comfortable. But, it’s a moot point anyway, since the controller wasn’t the cause of the failure. The carbon fiber is what fucked them.