When I first found out it was an interesting concept that I was pretty neutral on but the more I engage/lurk with the community the more I enjoy it.

I generally don’t post/comment much on Reddit because I tend to be extremely sincere and that’s not always well received. Usually I don’t get much hate, but what I do get is a lot of non-interaction mixed with downvotes. And it’s just really discouraging when I’m just trying to share my thoughts.

But having no downvotes here is so nice because I’m not afraid that I’m going to get silenced into oblivion. Either people will actually engage with me (and maybe disagree, but in a meaningful way), or they’ll move on and not randomly share their disdain via downvoting.

It’s such a small change but makes a big difference. I bet a lot of people feel the same as me - it’s more comfortable to engage here.

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    I think it also fundamentally changes the conversation. Valid but “unpopular” comments can’t get buried in downvotes. The voting system on Reddit was based on a sane logic that totally neglected to consider how people actually behave… the idea of up and down votes to crowd-source relevance and quality of content makes sense, but all anyone did was use it as an agree / disagree button which broke the idea entirely.

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      How does it work if a user on another instance (that has downvotes enabled) downvotes comments on BeeHaw.org communities? Are they ignored? Can other instances see them?

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        At least on Jerboa it displays a notification saying that downvotes are disabled.

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          Well you’re a beehaw user. I’m not, and I can actually downvote things here. I’m just not sure if it actually effects anything.

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            I mean, does it seem to change the vote numbers when you do it? Like, try downvoting my reply and we’ll see if it results in us both seeing a 0. :P

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              Downvoted as well. Looks like no since other people have also downvoted you and you’re still at 1

              I’ll have to test- maybe other users on my instance can see my downvotes, but they won’t federate because BeeHaw rejects them. And therefore no other instance can see them.

              Edit: Okay so I’ve confirmed it.

              When downvoting content on an instance that doesn’t allow downvotes, you can see only the downvotes that come from other users on your instance. I can see two downvotes now, which happened just after I used a second account to downvote.

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              Downvoted from my instance and it’s a zero. No record of the other downvotes being tested here though. Maybe it’s humouring me with a fake downvote but not really transferring across to your post?

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              Downvoted for testing purposes, showing score Of 0 for this comment for me currently

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                I’m seeing a 1 on my end, so either things are lagging out for different users and I’m about to see a massive chunk hit…

                Or it’s all localized. :P

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              Just chiming in to remark how hilarious and wholesome these downvote comments are! =D

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              Okay so I’ve confirmed it.

              When downvoting content on an instance that doesn’t allow downvotes, you can see only the downvotes that come from other users on your instance. I can see two downvotes now, which happened just after I used a second account to downvote.

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            Well you’re a beehaw user. I’m not, and I can actually downvote things here. I’m just not sure if it actually effects anything.

            it does not, and if it looks like it does then that’s all on your end (presumably because whatever you’re using can’t quite parse the lack of downvotes and gets a bit confused) but doesn’t register on ours

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              As I was able to confirm, looks like anyone else on the same instance can see my downvotes. But not anyone on any other instance, even if they have downvotes too.

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          I am on Beehaw and see a downvote count of zero when I long press on the vote count. I have been curious about how it works when people from other instances interact with Beehaw communities and others that don’t allow downvotes. I didn’t know if Beehaw still receives that external vote data through federation, tallies it, and hides it or if it was dropped entirely. I guess there’s also the possibility that votes are only registered to the local instance where a comment is viewed, but I hadn’t considered that.

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        Yes, I can see the downvotes on comments and posts. I’m registered to the lemmy.world instance

        Edit: But not sure if I’m seeing downvotes from all instances or just mine?

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      Absolutely. Your only choices for not getting downvotes was to say something everyone will agree with, or cloak yourself in 1000 layers of sarcasm and jokes so no one can shut you down anyways.

      And as I mentioned I am extremely sincere and don’t care for defensive irony. Not for me.

      Always just stuck to the smaller, interest/specific topic focused subreddits as a result.

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        I’ve seen a lot of comments that were against the grain but still upvoted on reddit. I’m not saying they never downvote comments they don’t like but if you are getting downvoted consistently and without interactions it might be more than just being sincere.

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          I’m not saying that I got downvotes consistently. Just that it has happened for really innocuous reasons, and in general the threat of downvotes keeps me from engaging much at all.

          I can understand how you might think that not knowing who I am, but I assure you I really do try to be genuinely nice and don’t court controversy (I haven’t the energy for it). It’s fine if you don’t believe that though, I’m just a random person on the internet.

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      That’s my experience too. Downvotes are not supposed to be for disagreeing but they are used like that since people can’t handle someone disagreeing. :)