The constant harassment and abuse from speciesist reactionaries is what drove us off. But mentioning that part would ruin the narrative that vegans are the bad guys
Reminder: https://archive.ph/Xl1Kd
You know, there’s actually been studies done about the bigotry vegans face
vegans are viewed more negatively than atheists, immigrants, homosexuals, and asexuals
From a study linked in this article: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2018/11/2/18055532/vegans-vegetarian-research-uk
But you tell carnists they’re being abusive harassers and they say we deserve everything that comes to us. Hey, bigots, you know veganism is actually a protected belief in a lot of places and where it isn’t protected, it should be. It doesn’t surprise me that carnists here give me the same victim blaming I get irl from right wing misogynists. Sorry not sorry for being uppity instead of erasing myself for the sake of your vibes.
Most vegans don’t talk about this bc the bigotry and exclusion and hatred we receive is nothing compared to the way carnists and their sick system of animal agriculture treat nonhumans. But it does no one any favors to ignore how or community is repeatedly marginalized everywhere we go, in person and online. Vegans are isolated and alienated and many lose connection and support from their friends, family, and community when they choose to stand up for nonhumans. Sometimes online spaces are literally the only place where leftist vegans can find each other and talk.
The US state views us as literal terrorists, you know. So many animal rights activists from the previous generation were imprisoned and are still behind bars. But god forbid someone tell a carnist their treats are killing animals and the earth. Treats matter more than lives, and anyone who says otherwise is a huge asshole who should be ostracized
Sorry, but you can in no way equate the rude comments vegans get to the bullshit queer people have to put up with.
I’ve seen mates stabbed for their homosexuality, the worst I’ve ever seen happen to a vegan is the sort of dumb shit comments about diets you are no doubt familiar with.
Fuck off with these false equations.
I’m queer, asshole
Then you should know first hand that this bullshit is in no way comparable.
You have never walked in my shoes. I talk to vegans leftists and vegan activists everyday and the parallel between their experience and that of bi ppl like me is extremely striking. The lack of community support is extremely difficult. So many of the vegans I talk to everyday have vystopia, depression, and suicidal ideation.
https://faunalytics.org/veganism-stigma-and-you/
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/317768313_Discrimination_Against_Vegans
Vegans are also more likely to be poor.
Carnism is so entrenched as to be invisible to you, but it’s not invisible to us. Everywhere we go, we see the corpses of tortured animals being eaten in front of us, billboards and TV ads with corpses on display. Schools and hospitals and prisons don’t often accommodate vegans, in fact we’re often force fed animal products by such institutions, ignorant doctors prescribe us meat for ailments totally unrelated, tricked into it by community members, and mocked relentlessly by wider society. Not to even mention the shit vegan parents go through. Ppl threaten to take their kids. People harass us about being vegan when we’re silent and minding our own business, let alone the shit storm that always always comes when we actually do choose to speak up.
https://joannfarb.weebly.com/blog/not-an-apologetic-vegan
https://citationsneeded.libsyn.com/episode-80-animal-rights-as-media-and-pop-culture-punchline
Animal ag is one of the biggest and most powerful industries. It drove colonization in the Americas and the current burning down of the Amazon. To say that they don’t have entrenched systemic power is fucking absurd. They have the power to create laws like ag gag and the Animal Entreprise Terrorism Act, they make it illegal to tell the truth about how destructive milk is in schools and offer alternatives like water. Rescuing a pig from certain torture and death could land you behind bars with multiple felonies, because our system treats sentient beings as chattel property instead of persons and criminalizes and marginalizes those who attempt to fight that system.
Also you should get tf out of this comm. I’m so fucking sick of people who rape and murder animals telling us we don’t get to feel upset about it, then kicking us or of the community and saying we deserve it bc simply having a voice makes us assholes. Go be a loser fucking oppression gatekeeper somewhere else. I get it, ppl you hate don’t get to describe their life experiences or say they’re being hurt by you
https://twitter.com/colorspctrum/status/1667257795513667597?t=WSoVTUytTTnU9vTtFmV-qQ&s=19
If you don’t think I have the standing to compare my own damn experiences as a bi ace and as a vegan, you’re just speaking out of ignorance and bigotry. No amount of stats and facts will convince a fucking bigot
Firstly:
people who rape and murder animals
Thank you for with no knowledge of who I am, instantly assuming my stance on animal liberation so you can paint the least charitable view of me possible, really appreciate it.
You capped your little screed off a accusing me of being a bigot and unaware of stats, 172 vegans were the victims of hatecrimes in the UK between 2015 and 2020 in one year of that timeframe ~14500 queerphobic hate crimes were recorded. In that same time frame, multiple attempts were made to undo the gender recognition act, back benchers of the UK’s leading party called for a return of section 28, all forms of the pride flag were added to the prevent scheme’s list of “extremist symbols”, and gender services in England and Scotland canceled gender affirming care to transmascs in their care without notifying them. In that same timeframe, some vegan groups were added to prevents watchlist.
Queer people are under siege by the hegemony and it’s only getting worse but don’t you dare ever say that we’re having a worse time than your average vegan. No, because then you’re a bigot.
I’ve lost friends, seen cops cheer on as fascists assault my comrades, I can’t just go about my life without near daily harassment from shit heads and I live in a part of the UK that’s relatively queer friendly. But what do I know about oppression some stranger on the internet has decided I’m a carnist?
Stop abusing animals
i also skipped the website for like 6 months to “touch grass” because of the struggle session. a lot of people who TRULY should know better just being willfully dense
:so-true: “DAE want people to only eat tomatoes and cucumber and shit lmao veguums amirite???”
Right, like look at my post history. I’m clearly not here very often, just check in every once in a blue moon. They don’t mean “be less online” when they say that, they just mean “shut up and go away.” Vegans are very very obviously not welcome here, and it’s been that way forever.
I was saying earlier to one of my friends, who used to be a vegan mod here, that hexers don’t know their hb history bc the victors pass down site lore and the reactionaries won (and also bc you can’t see old posts). So this zombie lie that it was the vegans who started the drama and deserved what we got will never die
