Israel’s leadership is pushing the allegations that Hamas fighters raped Israeli women during the October 7 attacks for its own political objectives while the government’s ongoing refusal to allow the United Nations to conduct a full investigation into the matter threatens to hinder any evidence, advocates have warned.

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    Did you really just try and claim that rape doesn’t happen during active and protracted urban combat…?

    Also, while I agree that of the attackers that day, the Hamas forces were the least likely culprits due to training and defined mission objectives, they weren’t the only people to enter Israel after the barriers were breached. That doesn’t mean they didn’t, just that I think there are other scenarios with a higher probability.

    And last, I’m not really sure if you’re being intentionally honest with your retelling of events, or if you really just don’t know that much about the scope and duration of the attack. Either way, you don’t really have a firm grasp enough to speak on this with any sort of authority, certainly not with the confidence you seem to have.

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      Since empathy with brown people appears to be impossible let’s switch it up a bit.

      Let’s say the IDF kidnaps a Palestinian. Do they stick an electrified stick in their ass while in a firefight with Hamas, or do they kidnap the Palestinian back to base and then rape them?

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        Thanks for clearing that up, you’re being intentionally disingenuous.

        Never have I defended the IDF, nor have I condemned any Palestinian combatants.

        I certainly never expressed any skepticism about the genocide or sexual violence that does appear to be deliberately systemic within the IDF, or at minimum, widely tolerated up the chain.

        So, with that out of the way. Re-read my comments, and then decide to engage honestly, or just go and try and peddle your uninformed garbage somewhere else.

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          I am saying that nobody rapes during combat in the middle of a firefight. Being in mortal danger is not a huge turn on.

          The rape if it happens, happens after a victim is extracted to a safe location or an area is fully captured.

          Same for the rapes that happened in Ukraine. There were no rapes during combat that happens after all combat is over.

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            It’s telling that you think a multi-day combat operation over a geographically dispersed area is just one very long firefight.

            It sounds like you’re basing this off a mixture of movies, television, and your gut.

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              I think they are basing it off the conclusion that they have already decided that they want to reach

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              There were some stragglers playing hide and seek but the operation was mostly over the second the IDF copters shows up which was within 24 hours.

              The “witness allegations” which turned out to be untrue were during the main raid including the festival. The UN report allegations also pertain to the festival. These were the earliest hours.

              The only one basing things off their gut is people claiming they have evidence of rape which they clearly don’t have.

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                The UN report allegations also pertain to the festival.

                Quick question, since you’re clearly familiar with the report: Section III©1 is divided into 6 different subsections, of which the first is the festival and surrounding areas. What are the other 5 subsections?

                I can start to give some hints if you have trouble answering this question. There’s also III©2 and 3 but I already asked some questions about III©2.

                (That was another hint, a big one, to one of my earlier questions you still seem to be having some trouble with.)

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                So, you don’t feel like checking III©1 to verify your claim that the UN report pertains only to the festival? I am trying to make it easy for you to learn how to check your claims against sources, but you do not seem eager to develop your skills in this area.