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      I think people who expect things to be free AND convenient are either children or live in a fantasy world and have no idea how the world works.

      Getting around an extension that circumvents YouTube’s monetisation is not enshitification.

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        Getting around an extension that circumvents YouTube’s monetisation is not enshitification.

        YouTube: constantly makes the ad experience worse

        Users: install AdBlock methods to dodge how terrible it’s gotten

        YouTube: continues making the ad experience worse

        You, an intellectual: but it’s not enshittification tho

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          Can you maybe add 2 and 2 to get a 4?

          Your “ad experience” being “worse”, mwans that more ads are shown to you, so companies are more inclined to advertise, because their ad money is not wasted.

          You either pay for premium or watch ads. You don’t want to watch ads and you don’t want to pay for premium. You’re a free-loader leech and you’re crying enshitification where there is none.

          You get more ads so they can collect more money for ever-increasing server and content-creator costs.

          Again, either a child or absolutely clueless.

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            You either pay for premium or watch ads.

            Or you pay a premium and watch ads (ex. HBO Max, Netflix etc.), which is always the end goal for the goblins at these companies. Enough is never enough, that’s the problem.

            Companies can still make money without going overboard. If anything the reckless pursuit of maximizing profits at all costs is bad business practice if your goal is a sustainable company.

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              Slippery-slope nosense. We’re talking specifically about YouTube here, let’s stay on topic.

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                Is it nonsense? They got rid of the paid tier that only got rid of ads at the start of this ad blocking war. And their tactics have been escalating more and more along with the amount of ads shown. Do you honestly think they will just stop at some point and be satisfied? Seems naive to ignore the trends from all other companies and assume youtube won’t follow suit given the choice.

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                  I’m not an oracle, I can’t tell the future.

                  I can, however, tell you that if you pay youtube for premium, you won’t get ads this month.

                  It’ll get “worse” with time, because youtube doesn’t have an expiration date. But that’s the price of accumulating information. And people are going to decide wether it’s worth paying for.

                  Enshitification is when the product gets worse with time and user gains nothing (or loses).

                  “more ads” is basically covering “increased cost” due to increasing content, and content quality.

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            We pay with the data they are illegally harvesting.

            Fuck youtube and fuck american companies, I will leech the fuck of it until they crumble.

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        This is about greed and excessive ads, not a complete unwillingness to admit that platforms need a form of income to run.

        When platforms go too far, people pushback. That should be a sign for YT that their advertising strategies are unsustainable and they need to make them less offensive and dusruptive to users.

        Not everything done to maximize profit is excusable. People are entitled to draw a line when greed goes too far.

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          Can you show me how much profit Youtube had in 2023? You seem to know this, because you base your whole argument on it.

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            $31.5 billion in revenue in 2023. [Source]

            This doesn’t include subscriptions, which accpunt for around another $10-12 billion.

            The company is worth hundreds of billions. So, no, I don’t think they’re suffering from ad blockers.

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              Ah yes, the good ol’ revenue is just a synonym to profit. Classic.

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                Ah the ol’ I have no real argument here and have no idea why I’m actually whiteknighting for a multibillion dollar corporation so I’ll just act skeptical regardless of what’s said.