I said nothing about brown kids. Or voting for a genocide supporter. And the fact that you not only feel the need to create such a shitty strawman, but that you actually believe that Biden supports genocide, illustrates how flawed your thinking is.
But I’ll digress…
Name ONE persons with the ability to defeat Trump in November and I’ll concede the argument.
One person- that is currently running- that has a chance to win the White House. Provide a name. Otherwise, admit you are here to disrupt, and walk away.
Exactly as I thought and as predictable as ALL the others that can’t answer this simple question.
You have nothing to say becasue you aren’t here to do anything other the to disrupt an election.
If you had ANY belief in your ideology, you’d have provided an answer. But no- just nonsense.
No. Your questions were an attempt to deflect from your failed attempt to condescend to someone for not supporting a pro-genocide candidate (i.e. the “grown up” thing to do). Literally in response to the fact that Biden is funding the starvation of 50,000 children. “Grow up”.
Your attempt to look worldly and rely on cynicism to appear politically saavy failed immediately and revealed your disgusting right-wing politics for what they truly are so you pivoted. I’m not interested in playing the stupid game.
Name a candidate or admit you are here to disrupt. If you’re suggesting we not vote for Biden, we need to vote for someone to stop Trump, so who is it?
Answer or admit that it’s Trump you’re wanting to get elected, because that’s the only logical reason you’d be asking people not to vote-
Either suggest an alternative, or admin you’re here in bad faith.
I am here to disrupt Democratic party politics, that’s not some kind of sneaky secret. I’ll be voting Uncommitted for president since any pro-genocide candidate claiming to be a Democrat is unacceptable.
That’s the point the DNC has brought us to. Moved so far to the right that their own base won’t vote for them.
I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters. If the voters chose Trump, they will move towards his policies, including on Israel. You will achieve the opposite of what you want.
But I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate the hollow gesture.
I can understand your principles, but the world, and specifically the US election system, doesn’t give a shit about them. Not voting always results in the party you dislike most gaining an advantage. That is the net result of your actions.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Biden is already supplying all the bombs and bullets Israel needs, there’s nothing worse Trump can do in this regard. US bombs are already killing Gazans and the Biden admin has shown no serious attempts at ending the genocide, the question is what kind of future conditions can be created within the Demicratic party to deter them from continuing to field pro-genocide candidates.
Unfortunately neoliberals have guarunteed this problem has no quick fix.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters.
Which is why you’re all so keen to suppress and deny the uncommitted vote, and instead continually try to reframe it as if people are simply staying home.
I vote reliably. Just never for genocide supporters. I’ll submit a blank ballot if necessary to avoid that.
I can understand your principle
This is clearly a lie. You neither have principles nor understand their purpose. If someone is flexible on genocide support they’re flexible on literally anything.
It’s only a matter of time before you’re operating in a frame where your practical policy positions are as extreme right as MAGA is in now and they’ve moved on to some other even more unimaginable extreme. It’s already happening with immigration; Biden’s anti-asylum schtick is literally indistinguishable from what Trump attempted during his term and was denied bybthe courts as illegal.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
No. He doesn’t. 50,000 starving children and 30,000 dead Gazans killed with US supplied weapons stand as testament to that. The only way the decades long genocide of Palestinians ends is if the Democratic party is coerced by their constituents into ending their support of it. Genocide needs to be a non-starter within the democratic ranks before anyone can pretend to be discussing real solutions to what the far right Israeli regime is doing.
I will be voting uncommitted for president. There isn’t much Biden can do about that at this point, he lost his window to prove he cares about peace or even sees Palestians as human beings. Only slim chance is reform of the future DNC to try and prompt them to stop moving to the right, they’re not equipped the face Israel right now.
So you instead choose even more of that with Donald. Or you are saying the Muslim bans and “finish the job” won’t lead to ramping up the attacks? The Christian nationalist heading Congress isn’t looking to start the apocalypse and rapture? Lindsey Graham isn’t saying Israel should nuke Gaza and that the US did nothing wrong in Hiroshima?
Maybe that will be enough to shock neoliberals awake as to the reality of what they’redealing with, maybe not, but it’s the only shot we’ve got. We can’t afford any more lesser evil, we’ve reached rock bottom with this genocide.
We’re not just backsliding slowly, we’re at the bottom of the hill.
Shocking neoliberals awake will do fuckall when they are living under a dictatorship that a (I know you’re confused by this concept) Repub-appointed SCOTUS is considering granting a Long Knife to.
There will be more genocide and more war. There will be nothing at all anyone can do since the “let’s get the National Guard in” and “deport these protesters to Gaza” guys will be in charge.
We are literally in a comment section discussing the Repub candidate wanting to execute people over whatever slights. Please get a clue. No, it is not as bad as it could be.
They might finally actually admit it’s a dictatorship and start behaving accordingly.
But yeah, they could cling to their denial. That’s already happening right now though. The shock still has a better chance than the slow boil though, slim a chance as it is neoliberals will ever wake up.
That’s so delusional. “Sure, it will become a full Christofascist theocracy, but people might become aware of that, so it is better.” You have childish hot takes on the matter.
How is it childish? What’s more dangerous; a public that sliwly acclimates to fascism or one that is shocked into action at its immediacy?
All you have to offer is more slow decline. That’s the opposite of what I want. This conversation kind of demonstrates why the only hail-mary left is shocking you guys back to reality. It’s literally the only option you’ve left anti-fascists.
You made your position clear that you want a fast decline and permanent Christofascist theocracy. Then what are you going to do? Let’s assume the neolibs are woken up. They are not going to be La Resistance, they are going to be Good Germans.
It’s galling that you’re talking about shocking other people back to reality. It will be harder to push left under the dictatorship, especially after they start executing leftists.
“You guys say every election is the end of days,” again, we are literally in the comments section discussing the Repub candidate who has been expressing his desire to do political executions.
Will not support this. Do better next time. No, there is no argument that can justify support for those who fund it.
Grow up.
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I never said that. What I said was… grow up.
I said nothing about brown kids. Or voting for a genocide supporter. And the fact that you not only feel the need to create such a shitty strawman, but that you actually believe that Biden supports genocide, illustrates how flawed your thinking is.
But I’ll digress…
Name ONE persons with the ability to defeat Trump in November and I’ll concede the argument.
One person- that is currently running- that has a chance to win the White House. Provide a name. Otherwise, admit you are here to disrupt, and walk away.
Name one reason Democrats will ever stop supporting genocide when you keep electing their pro-genocide candidates.
Exactly as I thought and as predictable as ALL the others that can’t answer this simple question.
You have nothing to say becasue you aren’t here to do anything other the to disrupt an election. If you had ANY belief in your ideology, you’d have provided an answer. But no- just nonsense.
No. Your questions were an attempt to deflect from your failed attempt to condescend to someone for not supporting a pro-genocide candidate (i.e. the “grown up” thing to do). Literally in response to the fact that Biden is funding the starvation of 50,000 children. “Grow up”.
Your attempt to look worldly and rely on cynicism to appear politically saavy failed immediately and revealed your disgusting right-wing politics for what they truly are so you pivoted. I’m not interested in playing the stupid game.
Name a candidate or admit you are here to disrupt. If you’re suggesting we not vote for Biden, we need to vote for someone to stop Trump, so who is it?
Answer or admit that it’s Trump you’re wanting to get elected, because that’s the only logical reason you’d be asking people not to vote-
Either suggest an alternative, or admin you’re here in bad faith.
I am here to disrupt Democratic party politics, that’s not some kind of sneaky secret. I’ll be voting Uncommitted for president since any pro-genocide candidate claiming to be a Democrat is unacceptable.
That’s the point the DNC has brought us to. Moved so far to the right that their own base won’t vote for them.
OK, so you think Trump will bring peace to Isreal. Got it.
You have to vote for Joe Biden because he also won’t bring peace to Israel
No.
So what message do you think your actually sending?
That I will never, ever support a pro-genocide candidate.
Ever.
So you’re not voting? Or are you for some hack grifter like West?
I’ll be voting in a way that most clearly sends the message to the Democrats why they lost my vote, which is voting Uncommitted for the presidential.
I am lucky enough to have a progressive running as a state rep to unseat a Republican so I’ll be turning out for their sake mainly.
I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.
Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters. If the voters chose Trump, they will move towards his policies, including on Israel. You will achieve the opposite of what you want.
But I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate the hollow gesture.
I can understand your principles, but the world, and specifically the US election system, doesn’t give a shit about them. Not voting always results in the party you dislike most gaining an advantage. That is the net result of your actions.
Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.
Biden is already supplying all the bombs and bullets Israel needs, there’s nothing worse Trump can do in this regard. US bombs are already killing Gazans and the Biden admin has shown no serious attempts at ending the genocide, the question is what kind of future conditions can be created within the Demicratic party to deter them from continuing to field pro-genocide candidates.
Unfortunately neoliberals have guarunteed this problem has no quick fix.
Which is why you’re all so keen to suppress and deny the uncommitted vote, and instead continually try to reframe it as if people are simply staying home.
I vote reliably. Just never for genocide supporters. I’ll submit a blank ballot if necessary to avoid that.
This is clearly a lie. You neither have principles nor understand their purpose. If someone is flexible on genocide support they’re flexible on literally anything.
It’s only a matter of time before you’re operating in a frame where your practical policy positions are as extreme right as MAGA is in now and they’ve moved on to some other even more unimaginable extreme. It’s already happening with immigration; Biden’s anti-asylum schtick is literally indistinguishable from what Trump attempted during his term and was denied bybthe courts as illegal.
No. He doesn’t. 50,000 starving children and 30,000 dead Gazans killed with US supplied weapons stand as testament to that. The only way the decades long genocide of Palestinians ends is if the Democratic party is coerced by their constituents into ending their support of it. Genocide needs to be a non-starter within the democratic ranks before anyone can pretend to be discussing real solutions to what the far right Israeli regime is doing.
I will be voting uncommitted for president. There isn’t much Biden can do about that at this point, he lost his window to prove he cares about peace or even sees Palestians as human beings. Only slim chance is reform of the future DNC to try and prompt them to stop moving to the right, they’re not equipped the face Israel right now.
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I’m not arguing with you. Tbere’s nothing to lose.
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So you instead choose even more of that with Donald. Or you are saying the Muslim bans and “finish the job” won’t lead to ramping up the attacks? The Christian nationalist heading Congress isn’t looking to start the apocalypse and rapture? Lindsey Graham isn’t saying Israel should nuke Gaza and that the US did nothing wrong in Hiroshima?
Maybe that will be enough to shock neoliberals awake as to the reality of what they’redealing with, maybe not, but it’s the only shot we’ve got. We can’t afford any more lesser evil, we’ve reached rock bottom with this genocide.
We’re not just backsliding slowly, we’re at the bottom of the hill.
Ah there it is, if it’s not “Both Sides”, “or voting doesn’t matter”, it’s “we need to burn it all down”.
What a ridiculously stupid take. You’re absolutely privileged if you can even think that is a viable option.
Fuck off with that bullshit.
Shocking neoliberals awake will do fuckall when they are living under a dictatorship that a (I know you’re confused by this concept) Repub-appointed SCOTUS is considering granting a Long Knife to.
There will be more genocide and more war. There will be nothing at all anyone can do since the “let’s get the National Guard in” and “deport these protesters to Gaza” guys will be in charge.
We are literally in a comment section discussing the Repub candidate wanting to execute people over whatever slights. Please get a clue. No, it is not as bad as it could be.
They might finally actually admit it’s a dictatorship and start behaving accordingly.
But yeah, they could cling to their denial. That’s already happening right now though. The shock still has a better chance than the slow boil though, slim a chance as it is neoliberals will ever wake up.
That’s so delusional. “Sure, it will become a full Christofascist theocracy, but people might become aware of that, so it is better.” You have childish hot takes on the matter.
How is it childish? What’s more dangerous; a public that sliwly acclimates to fascism or one that is shocked into action at its immediacy?
All you have to offer is more slow decline. That’s the opposite of what I want. This conversation kind of demonstrates why the only hail-mary left is shocking you guys back to reality. It’s literally the only option you’ve left anti-fascists.
You made your position clear that you want a fast decline and permanent Christofascist theocracy. Then what are you going to do? Let’s assume the neolibs are woken up. They are not going to be La Resistance, they are going to be Good Germans.
It’s galling that you’re talking about shocking other people back to reality. It will be harder to push left under the dictatorship, especially after they start executing leftists.
“You guys say every election is the end of days,” again, we are literally in the comments section discussing the Repub candidate who has been expressing his desire to do political executions.