I don’t know how it’s possible to believe in toxic masculinity and also unironically believe men are literally all incurably innately bad. Toxic masculinity implies the existence of nontoxic masculinity. It implies that our societal concept of manhood is damaging, and hurts everyone - men and woman and nb people - and that we need to take steps to change it. I see this “yes all men are evil” stuff as just venting, and it doesn’t hurt me when people say it because it doesn’t really affect me, and I believe that the people saying it have things they’re totally justified in venting about, but like in this conversation, it clearly hurts other people.