Some of the ones who are against him are all like: “He’s so rude, he’s going to ruin our country.” But, then they turn around and tell me that the country has an illegal migrant problem and that we shouldn’t try to take so many migrants into the country. It’s almost like they want his policies but, they just don’t like that he pushes them in such crass style. It’s so much of the dynamic you see with the two parties, where one is the mask-off barbarism party and the other one is the “smart” and “civil” barbarism party. No matter how many times you explain this to these people, they always find themselves back to the beginning where they were traumatized by seeing Trump be rude in 2016, and allow that to be the pass the Democrats need to enact similar policies as the “civil” barbarism party. It’s maddening to try to reason with these people and see it’s all been a fruitless effort.

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    4 months ago

    Lots of trump supporters are also not the rabid chuds we see online. They’re reluctant or quiet trump supporters and remarkably similar to biden’s huge boomer contingent in their class position and ideology. I’ve heard them say that they support trump, “if only he’d keep his mouth shut!” They were also pretty nervous about his troubles with the law and only supported him because biden/killary was worse, etc.

    I saw some people use this as their justification for voting for DeSantis before that petered out. Now they basically ignore how crass Trump is while every other word that comes out of their mouth is about “illegals.” I try to talk to them about the push and pull cause of migration and how to mitigate that and their brain doesn’t even register that “migrants” is another word for “illegal immigrants.” Its stuff like this, the easy proliferation of old fashioned reflexive white people racism, that makes me lose a lot of faith in human progress. They don’t want to listen to any solution other than the horrifying solutions barbarism offers.

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      I think most white americans (and sadly many non-white americans) have truly appalling political views, but these views only seem normal here in the USA, AKA Big Israel. Ultimately these people are probably not going to be convinced. They really will have to be fought violently.