New account but I’ve been using burner accounts and lurking since the sub got banned. I’ve been seeing all the standard liberal brainworms again for the first time since reddit-logo and everytime it’s an account from another federation. I was tepidly against federation at first but this has been entertaining, like the old days of pigpoop people who wandered into the sub.

I gotta imagine this will only last another week before everyone defederates us, but let’s enjoy it for now.

  • silent_water [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    67·
    1 year ago
    1. we don’t owe anyone long, detailed explanations of why they’re wrong. that info is available from any of hundreds or thousands of different sources, including in published books. if someone comes in and asks a question in good faith, they’ll get a reading list. if someone just comes in and drops their opinion, though, we have no obligation to respect that.
    2. all of us, at different times, do give those long explanations. they’re just exhausting to type up. no one can demand our time and energy. online debates don’t change opinions. real explanations of the topics that get dunked on here require entire books to unpack the arguments and properly dismantle them. there’s no shortcut for doing the homework and we’re not going to pretend that there is.
    3. many of the opinions that get dunked on are thought terminating cliches that people don’t reason themselves into – they’re repeating random propaganda they’ve imbibed passively. the best response is to make fun of these ideas, to break the notion that they’re somehow inviolate truths, beyond questioning. that dunking led many people on the old sub – people who wandered much as these new folks are, with opinions that vastly differ from our own – to eventually do some reading and change their own minds. we can’t change anyone’s mind. they have to be open to having their minds changed and embark on that process in their own way, at their own pace.
    4. civility masks the abject horror of the world we live in. civility is the false peace – it’s a peace marked by masking of tension rather than any resolution of it. our world is not peaceful – it merely pretends to be so by demanding those harmed mask their grievances. many of us here are from minority groups – our grievances will be heard and no amount of tone policing is going to chnage that.
    • JuneFall [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
      41·
      1 year ago

      civility masks the abject horror of the world we live in. civility is the false peace – it’s a peace marked by masking of tension rather than any resolution of it. our world is not peaceful

      Real mlk-yes energy.

      but the white moderate who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can’t agree with your methods of direct action;” who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a “more convenient season.”

      Shallow understanding from people of goodwill is more frustrating than absolute misunderstanding from people of ill will. Lukewarm acceptance is much more bewildering than outright rejection."