This specific situation described in this post is an issue of “women assuming that the man offering his take on a subject was ignorant about it and driven by machism” (as that’s exactly what they accused him off when they called his offer one of “mansplaining”).
(In fact what makes this a bit of a story is that rather than just saying “No thanks”, they instead explicitly accused him of offering an ignorant opinion driven by sexist)
Surelly both the “men assuming women don’t know anything about ‘nerdy’ things like film” and “women assuming that men offering their own take on a subject are ignorant and driven by sexism” are equally wrong?!
How is instantly presuming such bad things about other people purelly on the basis of the number of Y chromossomes they were born with, less sexist if its acting/voicing prejudice (quite literally: they prejudged the other person) from XX persons towards XY persons than if it is from XY persons towards XX persons?
It’s kinda the whole point of this whole comment thread: prejudice is prejudice and its discriminatory to excuse it for some people but not for others purelly on the bases of some having being born with certain characteristics and the others not.
You’re making a lot of assumptions about what I said. It doesn’t excuse it, I directly said they were wrong in this instance. My comment was directed towards the absurd comparison of women incorrectly assuming a white guy was mansplaining and a black woman who knows about the origins of RNA being dismissed. It’s really ignorant to equate the widespread, discriminatory assumption of women and black people being stupid and uneducated to two women not giving credit to the MIB writer lol. The former affects your education, livelihood, and career and the latter is funny at best and manufactured rage at worst. They are not at all equivalent.
I just want to clarify this again because this is just a Reddit-tier mentality that’s super brain dead: just because I’m saying this guy isn’t a tragic victim doesn’t mean I’m a crazy radical feminist that hates men.
That said, “some discriminations are not all that bad compared to other discriminations out there” doesn’t look like a hill worth fighting on, as excusing some discrimination (as long as it comes from people who genetically look similar to victims of discrimination) isn’t exactly a moral high ground.
If you really are against discrimination then surelly you are against treating and judging people differently based on being born with some characteristics or others, rather than seeking to excuse (or at least lighten the blame) for some because they just so happen to share some genetic characteristics with other, unrelated, people who were victims of discrimination in the past.
You stop discrimination by going against discriminatory acts and practices, you don’t do it by keeping the framework of categorizing people on their genetics and treating and judging them based on such categories, and just switching around the categories deemed implicitly “worthy” and “unworthy”.
The story here is that two people acted in a discriminatory, prejudiced way towards a third person and that action turned out to be the pinnacle of being wrong AND showed them as massivelly sexist (those two thing were what made it a story). Their actions speak for themselves and trying to use their genetic makeup to lighten the judgment of those actions is the dictionary definition of discrimination. Had they been victims of discrimination previously from the other person, then absolutelly, but they were not, they just prejudged the other person on his genetics and then proceeded to accuse him of sexism.
This specific situation described in this post is an issue of “women assuming that the man offering his take on a subject was ignorant about it and driven by machism” (as that’s exactly what they accused him off when they called his offer one of “mansplaining”).
(In fact what makes this a bit of a story is that rather than just saying “No thanks”, they instead explicitly accused him of offering an ignorant opinion driven by sexist)
Surelly both the “men assuming women don’t know anything about ‘nerdy’ things like film” and “women assuming that men offering their own take on a subject are ignorant and driven by sexism” are equally wrong?!
How is instantly presuming such bad things about other people purelly on the basis of the number of Y chromossomes they were born with, less sexist if its acting/voicing prejudice (quite literally: they prejudged the other person) from XX persons towards XY persons than if it is from XY persons towards XX persons?
It’s kinda the whole point of this whole comment thread: prejudice is prejudice and its discriminatory to excuse it for some people but not for others purelly on the bases of some having being born with certain characteristics and the others not.
You’re making a lot of assumptions about what I said. It doesn’t excuse it, I directly said they were wrong in this instance. My comment was directed towards the absurd comparison of women incorrectly assuming a white guy was mansplaining and a black woman who knows about the origins of RNA being dismissed. It’s really ignorant to equate the widespread, discriminatory assumption of women and black people being stupid and uneducated to two women not giving credit to the MIB writer lol. The former affects your education, livelihood, and career and the latter is funny at best and manufactured rage at worst. They are not at all equivalent.
I just want to clarify this again because this is just a Reddit-tier mentality that’s super brain dead: just because I’m saying this guy isn’t a tragic victim doesn’t mean I’m a crazy radical feminist that hates men.
I think I see what you mean.
That said, “some discriminations are not all that bad compared to other discriminations out there” doesn’t look like a hill worth fighting on, as excusing some discrimination (as long as it comes from people who genetically look similar to victims of discrimination) isn’t exactly a moral high ground.
If you really are against discrimination then surelly you are against treating and judging people differently based on being born with some characteristics or others, rather than seeking to excuse (or at least lighten the blame) for some because they just so happen to share some genetic characteristics with other, unrelated, people who were victims of discrimination in the past.
You stop discrimination by going against discriminatory acts and practices, you don’t do it by keeping the framework of categorizing people on their genetics and treating and judging them based on such categories, and just switching around the categories deemed implicitly “worthy” and “unworthy”.
The story here is that two people acted in a discriminatory, prejudiced way towards a third person and that action turned out to be the pinnacle of being wrong AND showed them as massivelly sexist (those two thing were what made it a story). Their actions speak for themselves and trying to use their genetic makeup to lighten the judgment of those actions is the dictionary definition of discrimination. Had they been victims of discrimination previously from the other person, then absolutelly, but they were not, they just prejudged the other person on his genetics and then proceeded to accuse him of sexism.