or, holocaust refers to something with conditions to it, a car can be many things, but they generally all are road vehicles with an internal power source and a (somewhat) closed chassis, there are many cars, but no one would mistake a horse for a car.
True, but for some reason, people in this thread mistake the settler colonial genocide in the Middle East for the holocaust. I’m glad you’re with me! I’m not the only voice of reason anymore.
Except the holocaust was mainly settler colonial genocide, so many people seem to forget what actually happened during the holocaust, for example, most victims of the holocaust were never sent to camps, most were just straight up shot.
I love how you constantly refer to it as the holocaust while insisting it wasn’t the only one. So the holocaust was a settler colonial genocide. Even if that is true (and I at least see where it is coming from), it doesn’t make every settler colonial genocide a holocaust.
So what exactly are your criteria to call it the holocaust? What are the Israelis doing that the nazis did too but not the settlers in the Americas, Australia and Africa?
oh, do you not like the implication that “settler colonial genocide” was the same thing as the holocaust? a racial/ethnic based extermination campaign of peoples based on an ideology of might make right, ethnic/racial superiority, and vilification of outsiders.
As I already pointed out, the holocaust was inspired by the settler colonialism of North America, no shit there are similarities. The “Lebensraum im Osten schaffen”-idea is settler colonialism. This wasn’t the only aspect of the holocaust though. Jews as “the enemy within”, the anti-Marxism, and the cis-hetero-normative hatred against gays and queers in general, the Führer cult, the “blood and soil” ideology … all add up to a unique picture, as other genocides add up to their unique picture.
There are similarities to what is happening in Palestine. Blood and soil reminds of a people coming back to their “promised land” from their scripture. Still it’s different from a people “cautiously” moving to the east. “Cautiously” not as in not hurting anyone but in a pseudo biological sense of not being sure if the ecosystem is right for us (blood and soil). Which is still different from settling on a previously unknown land with people you see as savages. “A Land without a people for a people without a land” (a Zionist slogan) sounds much more like a settlers on the “uninhabited” Americas than the Nazis for me but what do I know. Iirc Zionism was more inspired by the colonization of South America but not sure.
And I totally put the holocaust in a line with other colonial genocides, including the one in Palestine. But that’s not what “the holocaust is happening again” does. That frames it as the second holocaust, the second major crime. Making invisible the Trail of Tears, the “Native American residential schools”, the colonization of Siberia by the Tsar empire and later continued by the Soviet Union. None of this qualifies as the holocaust but the genocide in Gaza does? Why? Are the others too long ago, too far away, the victims not white enough (in the broader sense that includes Arabs)? Or are all of them holocaust? But then why not drop the word and say genocide instead? (A word not used by Anti-D in the context of Palestine btw)
Calling the holocaust “one of many (colonial) genocides” puts it into perspective. It’s not the singular event as in worse than everything else. It is singular as everything is singular. Talking about the “second holocaust” in Palestine does the opposite. It draws a line only between these two points and makes invisible genocides in other regions of the world and other epochs. People like you make me sick. How can you ignore what happens to the Uyghurs and the Yazidis? The Armenian genocide wasn’t a holocaust? Nothing to see here.
And I’m sure you will find a way to twist this comment to fit your prejudge again. I used the word “singularity” again and I’m sure this is the only thing you will remember from this comment. Why did I spend so much time with a troll like you?
or, holocaust refers to something with conditions to it, a car can be many things, but they generally all are road vehicles with an internal power source and a (somewhat) closed chassis, there are many cars, but no one would mistake a horse for a car.
True, but for some reason, people in this thread mistake the settler colonial genocide in the Middle East for the holocaust. I’m glad you’re with me! I’m not the only voice of reason anymore.
Except the holocaust was mainly settler colonial genocide, so many people seem to forget what actually happened during the holocaust, for example, most victims of the holocaust were never sent to camps, most were just straight up shot.
I love how you constantly refer to it as the holocaust while insisting it wasn’t the only one. So the holocaust was a settler colonial genocide. Even if that is true (and I at least see where it is coming from), it doesn’t make every settler colonial genocide a holocaust.
So what exactly are your criteria to call it the holocaust? What are the Israelis doing that the nazis did too but not the settlers in the Americas, Australia and Africa?
oh, do you not like the implication that “settler colonial genocide” was the same thing as the holocaust? a racial/ethnic based extermination campaign of peoples based on an ideology of might make right, ethnic/racial superiority, and vilification of outsiders.
As I already pointed out, the holocaust was inspired by the settler colonialism of North America, no shit there are similarities. The “Lebensraum im Osten schaffen”-idea is settler colonialism. This wasn’t the only aspect of the holocaust though. Jews as “the enemy within”, the anti-Marxism, and the cis-hetero-normative hatred against gays and queers in general, the Führer cult, the “blood and soil” ideology … all add up to a unique picture, as other genocides add up to their unique picture.
There are similarities to what is happening in Palestine. Blood and soil reminds of a people coming back to their “promised land” from their scripture. Still it’s different from a people “cautiously” moving to the east. “Cautiously” not as in not hurting anyone but in a pseudo biological sense of not being sure if the ecosystem is right for us (blood and soil). Which is still different from settling on a previously unknown land with people you see as savages. “A Land without a people for a people without a land” (a Zionist slogan) sounds much more like a settlers on the “uninhabited” Americas than the Nazis for me but what do I know. Iirc Zionism was more inspired by the colonization of South America but not sure.
And I totally put the holocaust in a line with other colonial genocides, including the one in Palestine. But that’s not what “the holocaust is happening again” does. That frames it as the second holocaust, the second major crime. Making invisible the Trail of Tears, the “Native American residential schools”, the colonization of Siberia by the Tsar empire and later continued by the Soviet Union. None of this qualifies as the holocaust but the genocide in Gaza does? Why? Are the others too long ago, too far away, the victims not white enough (in the broader sense that includes Arabs)? Or are all of them holocaust? But then why not drop the word and say genocide instead? (A word not used by Anti-D in the context of Palestine btw)
Calling the holocaust “one of many (colonial) genocides” puts it into perspective. It’s not the singular event as in worse than everything else. It is singular as everything is singular. Talking about the “second holocaust” in Palestine does the opposite. It draws a line only between these two points and makes invisible genocides in other regions of the world and other epochs. People like you make me sick. How can you ignore what happens to the Uyghurs and the Yazidis? The Armenian genocide wasn’t a holocaust? Nothing to see here.
And I’m sure you will find a way to twist this comment to fit your prejudge again. I used the word “singularity” again and I’m sure this is the only thing you will remember from this comment. Why did I spend so much time with a troll like you?