I don’t give one solitary shit who you vote for, I was trying to understand the strategy I’ve heard advocated for in these forums.
If you don’t give a shit, then why are you continuing to make a fuss about all of the answers people have given you in multiple different ways that explain our strategy? You obviously do give a shit, otherwise you wouldn’t continue arguing instead of learning from our side for once. We’re just going in circles. You say you read Marx, then I suggest you also read Lenin as well because I don’t think anyone here is going to change your mind except yourself.
Voting against the two party system gives statistics on the dissatisfaction of the population. It shows people that people are fed up and don’t want to continue participating in this fascist dictatorship. It’s also not about who voted for who and the results of the election. The point is to take advantage of the time when most people pay attention to politics and educate them while we still have their attention. Do you not want PSL to do this? Should we just sit back and wait for the conditions that spark potential revolution that we would fail at because we didn’t build the ship?
I met a bunch of people during petitioning and was able to help build awareness of our party as most people didn’t know about us at all. We were out in the streets protesting and marching for Palestine. We made a commitment to being persistent in supporting our communities during multiple struggles. We built class consciousness by supporting the Black communities when people were murdered by the cops. We give a voice to Palestinian Americans that the DNC treats as subhuman.
I personally witnessed events started by my pre-branch having an attendance of a few people to many hundreds this year alone. We stopped various bills from passing in our state, which surprised us, and we put our state on the map. Project 2025 doesn’t disappear by voting for Kopmala, it is stopped by us working together against the system and eventually overthrowing our bourgeois oppressors.
How the hell are we supposed to build a movement if we keep telling people to vote for the lesser of two evils? Do we not participate in elections? What are we gaining by so-called “buying time”? We’re fucked by either party. They both operate for capitalists. It literally makes no difference. There’s no time bought. The same policies are going to occur regardless of who’s in office.
If PSL, FRSO, etc. were to tell everyone to vote Kamala, don’t you think that will kill so much support for our movement? Then who is supposed to take the reigns of the new party? Wouldn’t that force us to start all over again? And why would we want such a massive blunder to kill the momentum that our party has built for the past 20 years? Why give up on our values and submit to the bourgeoisie? Being a communist means not being tailist.
Should this forum of comrades just say we need to vote for the other Hitler? Doesn’t that go against our values? What do you want from us?
I don’t give a shit who you vote for, I didn’t say I don’t give a shit about this conversation. I’m done with this community. You can all go fuck yourselves
If you don’t give a shit, then why are you continuing to make a fuss about all of the answers people have given you in multiple different ways that explain our strategy? You obviously do give a shit, otherwise you wouldn’t continue arguing instead of learning from our side for once. We’re just going in circles. You say you read Marx, then I suggest you also read Lenin as well because I don’t think anyone here is going to change your mind except yourself.
Voting against the two party system gives statistics on the dissatisfaction of the population. It shows people that people are fed up and don’t want to continue participating in this fascist dictatorship. It’s also not about who voted for who and the results of the election. The point is to take advantage of the time when most people pay attention to politics and educate them while we still have their attention. Do you not want PSL to do this? Should we just sit back and wait for the conditions that spark potential revolution that we would fail at because we didn’t build the ship?
I met a bunch of people during petitioning and was able to help build awareness of our party as most people didn’t know about us at all. We were out in the streets protesting and marching for Palestine. We made a commitment to being persistent in supporting our communities during multiple struggles. We built class consciousness by supporting the Black communities when people were murdered by the cops. We give a voice to Palestinian Americans that the DNC treats as subhuman.
I personally witnessed events started by my pre-branch having an attendance of a few people to many hundreds this year alone. We stopped various bills from passing in our state, which surprised us, and we put our state on the map. Project 2025 doesn’t disappear by voting for Kopmala, it is stopped by us working together against the system and eventually overthrowing our bourgeois oppressors.
How the hell are we supposed to build a movement if we keep telling people to vote for the lesser of two evils? Do we not participate in elections? What are we gaining by so-called “buying time”? We’re fucked by either party. They both operate for capitalists. It literally makes no difference. There’s no time bought. The same policies are going to occur regardless of who’s in office.
If PSL, FRSO, etc. were to tell everyone to vote Kamala, don’t you think that will kill so much support for our movement? Then who is supposed to take the reigns of the new party? Wouldn’t that force us to start all over again? And why would we want such a massive blunder to kill the momentum that our party has built for the past 20 years? Why give up on our values and submit to the bourgeoisie? Being a communist means not being tailist.
Should this forum of comrades just say we need to vote for the other Hitler? Doesn’t that go against our values? What do you want from us?
I don’t give a shit who you vote for, I didn’t say I don’t give a shit about this conversation. I’m done with this community. You can all go fuck yourselves