• ???@lemmy.world
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    26 days ago

    I did not bring good/bad into this. By definition, can you really be a democracy if you are an apartheid regime where two thirds of your “residents” have low to no rights in gotingnor determining their future? Seriously asking.

    Again, I’m not talking about Palestinians who are Israeli citizens so hope that makes it clearer.

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      26 days ago

      By definition, can you really be a democracy if you are an apartheid regime where two thirds of your “residents” have low to no rights in gotingnor determining their future?

      The population of the Palestinian territories is, closer to 1/3 of the whole of Israel/Palestine. But the answer is yes either way. The people of Israel have a fully functioning democracy, and have had for some time. If they use that democracy to create a brutal militarily controlled territory, Israel is still a democracy, even if their territories are not or even if their territories have limited self determination. Democracy is just a form of government, that form of government exists for the people living in Israel proper whether or not it exists for their territories.

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        26 days ago

        I don’t see how. Democracy states that people have power to rule usually through voting. If not all the people have this power equally, is it really a democracy? It can look like one but not necessarily be one.

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          25 days ago

          I think you’re making a values judgement instead of a logical one. No one was claiming the USA wasn’t a democracy when only male white land owners could vote. It was just a flawed society, but still a democracy.

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            25 days ago

            The USA?

            And no that was not a democracy either. Not even a flawed one. Just flat out undemocratic. Just like Israel.

            Feels like this “flawed democracy” stuff is just window dressing done by countries so they can maintain their undemocratic systems.