DoN’t ChAnGe ThE RuLes, ThAt’S JuSt HoW iT is!

Why can’t I have anything nice sadness

  • Moss [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    27·
    11 days ago

    It does end with the world being significantly changed by the protaganists for what its worth. Imo the ending isn’t the best part of the manga, but its fine. Nothing amazing, but nothing that unpredictable or transformative.

    • Moss [they/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
      20·
      11 days ago

      But you should keep reading because the best parts of the manga are the character interactions and they are consistently great

  • rhubarb [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    19·
    11 days ago

    The ending arc is not the strongest part, but I don’t think it’s saying anything like that. If anything, it feels like it’s kind of unsatisfyingly not coming to any conclusions about the themes.

  • KobaCumTribute [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    18·
    11 days ago

    Yeah, I had pretty much the same reaction somewhere around that point too. The Demon and its attendant theme of “the most dAnGeROuS wishes aren’t self serving and cruel ones, but a desire to improve things and help others” are 100% the worst part of the worldbuilding and in fact are so bad that they kind of retroactively ruin all the cool ideas that came before imo.

  • Cammy [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    12·
    11 days ago

    I love Laios, I really do, but he’s the last person to be giving a lecture like that. At least according to his trajectory as a character. He’s not invested in the politics of the world and hasn’t done the level of research Marcille has. It just feels off.

    I hate fiction where magic is considered too dangerous to solve systemic problems. Like it’s an antagonistic force in the world that’s only good for warfare. It’s a natural force in most settings, making the mistrust seem so strange.

    Like in this setting, the mad mage made mistakes, but they want to throw it all out.

    • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
      4·
      11 days ago

      What about fiction where magic doesn’t solve systemic problems because it’s part of the world and affected by the same systemic problems? Looking at you, Ursula.

        • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
          6·
          11 days ago

          It’s more that magic, like all power, is subject to the conditions of that society (something something coconut tree). Like, in the first Earthsea book you learn that “women’s magic” is considered basal and wicked, so they aren’t allowed into the fancy magic school, so women are born with the gift of magic are usually looked down upon as witches and lesbians

          Magic does have this “things must be in balance” nature to it that you could read as being pro status quo, but I think it’s more the case that the existing power structure in the world being unable (unwilful) to change. “Infinite are the arguments of mages” and some mages, it turns out, are just old men unable to see past what they’re accustomed to, even some wise ones.

          • Cammy [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
            4·
            11 days ago

            Okay, so magic as an institution is flawed because the institutions that work magic are flawed?

            Or is it a gender essentialism thing happening where magical women are evil lesbians? party-sicko

            • ShinkanTrain@lemmy.mlEnglish
              3·
              11 days ago

              Yes on the first one, maybe on the second. It’s implied women can learn the art magic just as men do and it’s all just men wanting/believing in their no girls allowed club, but from my read on it, it’s implied by some characters that it’s somewhat different and deeper. Good ass quote from an old hag:

              A woman’s a different thing entirely. Who knows where a woman begins and ends? Listen mistress, I have roots, I have roots deeper than this island. Deeper than the sea, older than the raising of the lands. I go back into the dark … I go back into the dark! Before the moon I am, what a woman is, a woman of power, a woman’s power, deeper than the roots of trees, deeper than the roots of islands, older than the Making, older than the moon. Who dares ask questions of the dark? Who’ll ask the dark its name?”

              It doesn’t outright say which is true so I guess you’re supposed to apply your own feminist values on it.

  • Owl [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    12·
    11 days ago

    Nah, it’s not gonna end up as bad as that.

    But it will continue in the grand tradition of anime/manga endings by escalating needlessly until the themes are muddled and the plot is a mess.

  • Bloobish [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    7·
    11 days ago

    Yeah the ending doesn’t go that far into lib shit

    spoiler

    more or less Liaos creates a more benevolent kingdom in which he tries to integrate everyone together and is home to often abused species such as the Orcs and Kobolds in the after credits pages, also apparently magic/mana is more readily available in the atmosphere and the elves have no idea if this is a good or bad thing (I’d say good maybe as it allows more magic to the races but it isn’t truly spelled out?)