A good in-depth discussion of media bias in political reporting, or why is it that Biden voters are encouraged to understand an empathize with Trump voters but Trump voters are never asked to understand Biden voters?

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    Trump voters are never asked to understand Biden voters?

    They can’t. They can’t understand anything outside of their tiny sphere. Everything else angers and terrifies them. Otherwise they wouldn’t be conservatives.

    So there’s no point in asking them. It’s like asking a turtle to fly.

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      They can’t. They can’t understand anything outside of their tiny sphere. Everything else angers and terrifies them. Otherwise they wouldn’t be conservatives. So there’s no point in asking them. It’s like asking a turtle to fly.

      being an elder millennial has afforded me to opportunity to experience biden’s trump like behaviors that he signed into law and watching w fascination that his current supporters are just as willfully ignorant as trump supporters.

      the real mind boggling thing is that all of biden and trump’s homophobic, racists, and classicist sins are both alike and easy to find with a 30 second google search; but both groups continue to ascribe values to their politician despite it being very easy to disprove and each person will dig in their heels when you point it out to them.

      conservative trump supporters are no different than liberal biden supporters in that neither group is aware of what biden has done (or what trump wants to do) and both groups are fervently willfully ignorant about it so long as their politician wins.

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        New account made 3 hours ago? Check.
        Comments almost exclusively on political threads? Check.
        When doing so, almost exclusively makes “both sides are the same” comments? Check.

        How’s the trolling going, friend?

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          New account made 3 hours ago? Check. Comments almost exclusively on political threads? Check. When doing so, almost exclusively makes “both sides are the same” comments? Check.

          How’s the trolling going, friend?

          i used to believe reddit was the king dumbass echo chambers; now i know that the fediverse makes reddit same sane and reasonable by comparison.

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        What Biden supporters? I don’t know any Biden supporters. Does anyone here know any Biden supporters? I’m voting for Biden because he’s not a Republican, not because I support him.

        Do you really think Biden won the election in 2016 because people liked him?

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          Depends on your definition of supporter. I voted for him in the primary. Didn’t donate, put up a sign, wear a sticker, or base my life on him or his candidacy in any measurable way.

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          Yeah I mean…I generally think he’s doing a pretty good job. I wouldn’t say I am aligned to him much beyond that or I have any ideological attachment to the guy, but yeah he’s at least helped steer away (mostly through appointing the right people to the right roles) from what could have been a pretty bad recession and his foreign policy handling of Russia and China particularly around Taiwan and Ukraine are aligned with my views. My only hesitation towards voting for him again is his age and I would prefer someone younger at this point who isn’t likely to die on the job.

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          I’m a Biden supporter. He’s done a pretty good job for a moderate, in an extremely difficult political environment. He’s orders of magnitude better than other major contenders. Now that we’ve recovered somewhat from the dark ages, we just need to find a good liberal/progressive candidate to take the country forward

          Do I have merch? Of course not. Do I idolize him? No. Do I think he’s perfect? Far from it. Do I salivate over his every utterance? Of course not. Would I follow him into tyranny? You’ve got to be kidding

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          What Biden supporters? I don’t know any Biden supporters. Does anyone here know any Biden supporters? I’m voting for Biden because he’s not a Republican, not because I support him.

          Do you really think Biden won the election in 2016 because people liked him?

          i think you meant 2020 and, yes, he’s got a cult following, especially on the fediverse who defend him no matter what and all of the exchanges start like this.

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              This is just plain bizarre. This is some IMAX level projection from an obvious trump troll. There is no Biden cult, sorry to burst your desperate and pathetic “both sides” fantasy.

              i hate trump and it’s so much MUCH worse and embarrassing when someone from the same political side as me speaks from such thorough ignorance about it.

              do yourself a favor and spend 30 seconds on googling biden’s stances on doma, dont ask don’t tell and the student loan crisis; to get a glimpse at how he thinks about marginalized/at-risk groups and how’s he’s used them for decades for his political gain.

              since you’re clearly digging in your heels; i’m going to try to undercut your next arguments since they are always the same three from the deeply ignorant liberal crowd:

              1. biden recently defended his decisions on all three plus multiple more shitty decisions; so it doesn’t matter how long ago he said it or made those laws.
              2. biden refused to change his mind all the way up until his presidential campaign and has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him; so he didn’t “evolve” or get better, he just knows that trump is weaker on this topic and uses your ignorance about his past of truly horrific anti-lgbtq/black/poor history to get your vote.

              Additionally: no, dunking on gays for easy politically points in the past wasn’t popular, many politicians (eg bernie sanders) never did it.

              1. his beliefs are the reason why he’s not bothering to improve anything, especially on the student loan debt. also: yes there are many things he can do even though congress is trying to block him; but he won’t do it no matter what. (google these too)
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                Biden […] has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him

                You say that like it’s a bad thing. Biden has sat himself in the center of his voterbase his entire career.

                I see that as being a good thing for a democratically elected politician.

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                  Biden […] has a solid history of changing his mind but only once it becomes politically convenient for him
                  

                  You say that like it’s a bad thing. Biden has sat himself in the center of his voterbase his entire career.

                  I see that as being a good thing for a democratically elected politician.

                  by that same logic trump is just as good because he too changed his mind when he ran for president.

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                    In that regard, sure. Trump’s clearly tapped into the primal needs of his voterbase, and is the representation they desire.

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                    Your article literally says “Biden already did this” to the first three options. And the 4th option, amping up income-based repayments, is covered by the link I shared, where they discuss the new IDR plan, SAVE, that the Biden administration introduced.

                    I’ll take your apparent ignorance of these facts as an indication that you didn’t read either article.

                    Also, just so you know, Google’s results are dependent on you - your location, your past search behavior, other information Google has on you, etc., so you are incorrect in assuming that someone else will get the same search results as you.

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            He doesn’t have a cult following. I am an example of a Biden supporter and believe me it’s like paper thin in terms of its depth. I think he’s done a generally decent job, which is a far cry from what we had before him. We’re not likely to get an alternative in 2024 so I would support him again, but prefer someone younger who shares similar views. I’m the guy everyone on all sides seems to hate: center left, or a right leaning liberal…sorry