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    You seem to like the lines-of-code metric. There are many lines of GNU code in a typical Linux distribution. You seem to suggest that (more LOC) == (more important). However, I submit to you that raw LOC numbers do not directly correlate with importance. I would suggest that clock cycles spent on code is a better metric. For example, if my system spends 90% of its time executing XFree86 code, XFree86 is probably the single most important collection of code on my system. Even if I loaded ten times as many lines of useless bloatware on my system and I never excuted that bloatware, it certainly isn’t more important code than XFree86. Obviously, this metric isn’t perfect either, but LOC really, really sucks. Please refrain from using it ever again in supporting any argument.

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      Can confirm it’s a shitty metric. I once saved the company I was working at few millions by changing one line of code. And it took 3 days to find it. And it was only 3 characters changed.

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        That’s the curse and blessing of our profession: efficiency of work is almost impossible to measure once you go beyond very simple code.

        You can feel like a hero for changing three characters and finally fixing that nasty, or you can feel like an absolute disgrace for needing days to find such a simple fix. Your manager employs the same duality of judgement

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          I feel like a hero in this particular case, it was a bug in a code that was written when I was still too young to even read. And no one knew how to run it. We didn’t have access to the pipelines so no one knew how to build it and how to run it. It was a very obscure hybrid of C and PHP. I basically had to be the compiler, I went line by line through the whole codebase, searching for the code path that caused the error. Sounds easy enough, right? Just CTRL+click in your IDE. Wouldn’t it be a shame if someone decided that function names should be constructed as a string using at least 20 levels of nesting where each layer adda something to the function name and then it’s finally called. TL;DR it was a very shitty code.

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            What the fuck. I’m so appalled I had to leave this useless comment to digitally stare with an agape mouth.

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        But did you add 3 characters? Gotta bump up that code count bruh.

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      I wrote a program that does nothing but busy loop on all cores. stylist_trend/Linux is my favourite OS.

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        What you refer to as Linux, is actually called Forkbomb/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calli-[Process Killed]

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      No, he doesn’t. He suggests that there are Linux systems with no GNU code, like one I’m replying from, and whether “no” meant “no SLOC” or “no instructions spent executing” or “no packages” absolutely doesn’t matter.

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    Ubuntu: “Linux”
    Fedora: “Linux”
    Arch: “Linux”
    Gentoo: “Linux”
    Slackware: “Linux”
    Debian: “Free Operating System”

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      Been running a Linux based os for coming up on twenty years. I still definitely do not care about this.

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    So, how’s Hurd doing these days? If they want their own operating system, maybe they should release version 1.0 of their kernel.

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    I honestly never cared about this, it’s the first time I write something about that, but any Linux-based OS is made of countless different software. What limits the number of names to two? Why can’t I call my OS OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux, then why not Wayland/OpenVPN/Gnu/Linux? That would be crazy. A single recognizable name is what makes it.

    Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.

    Not shitting on GNU at all, but this push for calling the OS Gnu/Linux seems futile

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      Furthermore by definition an operating system is an interface between userspace applications to the hardware, hence the operating system should be just Linux.

      It gets more complicated with microkernels, though because you literally can’t run anything without some important processes running in userspace.

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        It shows that Unix’s implementation of echo uses 10 lines of code, other *nixen use 60 to 100, and gnu uses 250. The implication being, I suppose, that GNU has such a high line of code count because it’s very verbose or padded

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        Implementation is the actual code with the logic that does the thing you want it do, as opposed to the command, which is how you tell the system what it should do.

        The command can be the same on multiple OSs, but the implementation can be different.

        In case of Linux and the coreutils (which are the basic programs you need beside the kernel to make a functioning system, stuff like mkdir) the most common implementation of all the coreutils is the one made by GNU. Stallmann did a lot of work on that so he wants credit for making a big part of the OS.

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      I used Linux for many years, I still run it for my personal projects. I’m sure it’s not everyone but damn the community is toxic as hell to newbies. If something doesn’t work it’s your fault. Don’t know what flatpak is? You’re an idiot. How do I use X? Don’t use X it sucks but also I won’t provide alternatives. Linux just works now open up terminal and type these flags to mount your external drive correctly so other programs can see it.

      I love the power and customization but it’s a confusing world at times with unhelpful people.

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          X in my post was meant to mean anything, as in unknown. But I see the confusion in regards to the window manager haha

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        If you’re asking how to do something, and most of the responses are “why would you want to do that?” It means you can’t do it.

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          So instead of “why would you want to do that” they can say “you can’t do that and here’s why but you can do this”

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        This has been pretty much my experience with every time I’ve gotten the “Linux” itch…

        It’s so bad that most of the time googling doesn’t help because the top twenty results are just someone else getting shit on for asking the same question.

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      Some guy got mad at me for referring to linux as GNU/Linux in a post clearly making fun of him for being a huge shit head to someone earnestly trying to do something on Linux and failing. Never address any of the criticisms, just called me an idiot and a liar. SOME linux users are their own worst enemy if they want wider adoption.

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      Cuz like, GNU was the thing before Linux, so I’d say that’s pretty important.

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          Why? Both parts of GNU/Linux are important. Open source is all about collaboration. It doesn’t need to conform to the neat capitalist OS ideas with one monolithic corporate creator and one user-friendly name.

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            Some people call just linux so… Also GNU is easier to say than GNU/Linux right? Thats the same argument made by people who say just “linux”.

            Open source is all about collaboration

            Free software is all about freedom. Nothing wrong with any of them tho