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      and at the people that try to gaslight that the Democrats are worse, for whatever reason.

      No one is saying they’re worse, just that “better than trump” is still supporting a genocide, refusing refugees and cutting off valid humanitarian aid based on propaganda from the genociders and not undoing it…

      if you think Trump is better for the Palestinian people.

      Again, no one is saying he would be…

      Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.

      You’re literally inventing a strawman to be mad at…

      Which we all give Vance shit for…

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        Well no we are also demanding that the current admin stop and face consequences for its action. We just know that Republicans would gleefully do worse and anyone pretending that is not the case is operating with a malign agenda. Its pretty straight forward.

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          Thank you for jumping in with a bit of a different but reasonable perspective. I’m not sure why I even stepped into this cesspool.

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          Well no we are also demanding that the current admin stop and face consequences for its action

          Does that “we” include Harris or any Dem not named Sanders, Talib, or AOC?

          We just know that Republicans would gleefully do worse and anyone pretending that is not the case is operating with a malign agenda

          It’s weird I have to keep saying this:

          Literally no one is saying that Trump wouldn’t be worse here…

          I’m saying if you think trump is so bad that we can’t criticize Biden for breaking multiple US and international laws to support a genocide and remove aid from it’s victims…

          You’re still supporting a genocide

          You can say genocide is unacceptable and trump is unacceptable. Especially since Biden isn’t even the nominee anymore.

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            Drink every comment givessomefucks has the word genocide in it

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        Look, fuck Netanyahu and fuck Hamas for starting all of this. It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about. I’d rather do everything we can within the current political reality than be right like Jimmy Carter and for the Dems to basically lose all political agency for the next decade plus. Right now I am lucky enough to say that and be so caulous. I hope my family and I can still do so after the inauguration in January. I hope we don’t have our own concentration camps of immigrants in our backyards.

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          Hamas didn’t exist in the 1800s, they didnt start this. But I am glad you “people” finally admit you have no empathy or think of people outside yourself; I was getting tired of hearing the lie that liberals are more caring than other conservatives

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            No one called themselves Palestinians back in the 1800s in the Ottoman Empire either. But yeah man, you got me dead to rights. Great Job.

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              They did, Palestinians have called themselves that since Roman occupation. Palestine, phalistine before it, has been a recognized name region for longer than Christianity has existed, much less the word ottoman or around 80% of modern hebrew words. Israeli education really is some of the worst in the world, right under american education.

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          It is cold and heartless to a degree yes, but there are political nuances that you clearly don’t care about.

          So you’re saying that because trump exists…

          We can’t criticize Biden for breaking multiple US and international laws to support a genocide and removing aid from it’s victims?

          You do you I guess…

          But I dont have time for people who think genocide is acceptable under any circumstances

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            The first and foremost rule of first aid is to ensure your own safety first. Same rule applies here. Hope your righteousness doesn’t bite you in the ass, I truly do.

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        Just that Biden is illegally supporting a genocide and if he had an R by his name other people would demand he face consequences and the US stops supporting a genocide.

        Ironic that you’re saying other people are the ones inventing stuff.

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          There’s the Lehey Law and it’s amendment that says if a country can’t prove their weapons aren’t used for war crimes we’re not allowed to give them weapons.

          Biden has ignored evidence US munitions are used in war crimes, and went around Congress to unilaterally facilate a sale.

          Thata not all of it, but I doubt we’re going to have a constructive discussion about why you believe that’s not illegally supporting a genocide.