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Headline is correct. China has a long way to go if they want to be as incompetent as the US.
Sinking is what subs are supposed to do though. They’d be a pretty bad submarine if they couldn’t sink.
Though the reason they are doing this is to generate fascist propaganda against China, to gear up for their upcoming war with them. It is easily debunked, but that’s fine with them because they’ll have released a dozen stories of a similar caliber in the time it takes to point out how ridiculous this is.
Looks like the whole story might be a grift started by a satellite image company Planet Labs that’s going through a major round of layoffs and desperately needs money.
Capitalist efficiency at its finest!
Accidents happen.
From January to November 2023, the Chinese shipbuilding industry’s output climbed 12.3 percent year-on-year to 38.09 million deadweight tons, accounting for more than half of the world’s total, according to China’s Ministry of Industry and Information Technology.
Chinese shipbuilders also commanded global orders with 134.09 million deadweight tons, or 53.4 percent of the world’s market share, over the same period, a 29.4 percent year-on-year increase, according to the official statistics.
They produce half of all the ships on the planet. Then it stands to reason that half of all the shipbuilding accidents would also happen there (more or less).
Just like with the failed test launch of the Russian missile. Western media was gloating. But anyone whose brain hasn’t atrophied yet would think “it’s a test launch, that’s why they do test launches.”
Speaking of media, and going back to China, when it was first reported the headlines made it sound as if a Chinese nuclear submarine sunk. Usual implication being that it sunk out at sea. e.g. China’s Newest Nuclear Submarine Sank, Setting Back Its Military Modernization
Incidentally I was just listening to an interview with Jacques Baud, who is a Swiss intelligence analyst, and he made this exact point. He said that the west if fighting a completely different war in Ukraine from Russia. The only thing the west cares about is the narrative, and the propaganda is completely divorced from reality as a result. Meanwhile, in Russia the propaganda exists in support of reality not as an alternative for it. They might embellish things, and frame them in a way favorable to Russia, but on the whole it matches what’s actually happening. And now we’re hitting a point where western propaganda diverged so far it’s becoming impossible to maintain as the front is visibly collapsing.
I found a YouTube link in your comment. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:
“North Korea forces everyone to get the same haircut” tier journalism.
lol yup
Where’s the evidence that a nuclear submarine was there in the first place? Wuhan is not near the sea.
It came to them in a dream. 😂
My faith in the human intellect is lost after news stories like this.
“Yo! See that shadow? There’s an invisible high tech tub of ice cream there. Go get it!”
Check this out. Compare the picture in this article to the stuff in the “sunken sub” picture. It matches perfectly, including the crates on the pier even. There was almost certainly a sub there at one point at least. Whether it sunk or not, who’s to say. It looks like the cranes are doing something though, right where the sub was in the earlier picture.
Governments are going to lie. All of them. Maybe don’t believe everything you see and double check to see if you can find more information. Sometimes it exists.
Shipyards normally aren’t on the ocean, for many reasons. Inland is more protected from storms. It’s harder to target inland facitilites. Shipyards often develop from previously specialized shipbuilding locations, which are often on rivers. Many shipyards are island, and it really isn’t strange to see a sub built inland if you pay attention to this. Rivers connect to the sea.
Edit: Got at least one downvote without an explanation. I assume it’s for bursting the bubble. If you don’t want to believe a sub was here at all, go ahead and explain the picture. I’m not claiming it sunk or anything, or supporting the article (it was just the one I found that included the before picture), but it seems pretty certain that it was in that exact spot sometime before this event, and the cranes are probably in that position for a reason. Consider for yourself why that could be. I’m sure you can explain it as well as I can.
First: Fuck CNN. That sub looks nothing like the shadow. They don’t NAME any US officials. The Center for a New American Security is a fucking think tank. They use Maxar because it’s free and they are a bunch of losers.
Second: Get a map and find Wuhan.
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Got at least one downvote without an explanation. I assume it’s for bursting the bubble.
Okay. Explain YOUR bubble bursting logic. You say a nuclear sub MUST have been in Wuhan and the two photos are in Wuhan. I don’t agree at all. The two piers don’t look alike for a start. And who is really the source of that CNN image of a sub? A US think tank: professional bullshitters basically.
Your gotcha moment is no good. You’re the one in the bubble. It’s such a speculation and scramble to justify the propaganda that China made a boo-boo.
The media have to provide good evidence for a story. They have cried wolf so many times when it comes to China. Their record is dogshit. Unless they have solid evidence, I wouldn’t believe one word of theirs.
First: Fuck CNN.
Sure. I agree. I didn’t read the article. I posted it for the picture.
That sub looks nothing like the shadow.
Yeah, no shit. I said that. I don’t think the shadow is supposed to be the sub, like the post is implying. That would be dumb if that’s what it was saying. The water is far too murky to see anything though, so it’s dumb to make that assumption. The cranes are doing something though. They aren’t there for no reason. The cranes are in the exact spot where a sub was previously being outfitted. What the cranes are doing is unknown, but I’m sure they didn’t just move them into that position for no reason. Take from it what you will. I’m sure you have a brain that you can think with on your own.
Second: Get a map and find Wuhan.
I know where Wuhan is. I explained that in my comment. It’s very far inland up a river. Rivers connect to the sea and subs can move in water. There are many advantages to having a shipyard so far inland, as I listed above. The fact the shipyard exists I’m assuming you don’t question, right? If not, why couldn’t a sub be built there?
You say a nuclear sub MUST have been in Wuhan and the two photos are in Wuhan. I don’t agree at all. The two piers don’t look alike for a start.
I rotated the image and placed it next to the OP’s for you. Look at the position of the building on the shore, and the position and color of the crates on the dock. They’re the same place, or they are oddly identical.
Your gotcha moment is no good. You’re the one in the bubble. It’s such a speculation and scramble to justify the propaganda that China made a boo-boo.
I don’t care if China made a mistake. Literally everyone does. It shouldn’t be this much of an issue. The fact China can’t have made a mistake, in your mind, is the issue.
Edit: I went to the WSJ article to grab the original higher quality image, because it was shit in the OP to make it easier to compare.
The cranes are doing something though.
And you are speculating with a theory. And then calling me unreasonable for NOT buying it.
The fact China can’t have made a mistake, in your mind, is the issue.
Where did I ever say that?
I am talking about media doing crap articles. It’s speculation with some bad photos that don’t provide evidence of it. And they all parrot the same shit. You understand that journalism should be better that this ?
I’m done.
No, I’m calling you unreasonable for assuming it couldn’t be possible. You even implied it would be crazy to think they build subs in Wuhan. That’s obviously wrong.
I assume you don’t deny there was a sub here now, like you did earlier. What do you think the cranes might be doing?
I honestly don’t care. I originally uovited the post, until I thought for a second about how dumb it would be if they were talking about the shadow, then I sought more information. The only reason I’m posting is people pretending that they were being outrageously stupid and must be lying. Clearly it’s not that stupid to think a sub could have sunk here. Whether it did or not I don’t know, but I can’t really think of what these cranes would be doing otherwise.
I’m probably going to be down voted here for providing more information, but yeah clearly that shadow isn’t a sub. I think the sub is supposed to be underwater where it can’t be seen, but the cluster of equipment show them reacting to something, or else why would they be there like that. Apparently there was a sub here before and after this event though, so…
This article includes the earlier picture that is almost certainly the same spot based on everything else in the picture. I can’t find anything that contains the later images that supposedly exist, only articles that mention it. It’s easy to make someone look stupid if you want. Ignoring all other information only makes you look stupid though, so try not to do that.
The equipment itself isn’t proof of anything, it’s just wild speculation as the article itself effectively admits when it says “shows what appears to be”. If that’s the standard of reporting you expect from the media, then don’t know what else to say to you.
The equipment is proof there was a sub in that position before at least. I know one comment here was implying there wouldn’t be a sub here, but clearly that’s wrong. There was a sub in that exact spot. The cranes also moved into that position for some reason. What happened? I don’t know. Something happened though, in the exact spot a sub was previously. Take from it what you will, but pretending it’s completely impossible just makes you look goofy.
I didn’t read the article though. I was looking for the picture only. That could be totally wrong, but it doesn’t discount the evidence of the picture.
Exactly, you don’t know what happened. It’s just baseless speculation that’s completely pointless. Nobody is pretending it’s completely impossible, what you’re being told is that there’s no actual evidence here. The fact that western media is jumping all over it shows just an incredible amount of desperation. Try holding journalists to a higher standard.
I don’t know what happened, but also the claim being made isn’t baseless. It’s clearly based on there being a sub there before, then no sub but a response to something using many cranes.
I do agree it shows Western (and all generally) media really try to dig up stories, and they try to be the first to report something. It’s sad, but saying that isn’t the same as saying it’s baseless. There is evidence of a sub and an accident at the exact spot the sub was. Check out these photos and compare them. They’re the exact same spot where the cranes are now. Does it prove that the sub sank? No. It is evidence of it, or some other accident, though. You can ponder it for yourself.
Again, the question is what makes any of this news worthy in any way, and why it’s being reported as front page news in western media. Like yeah maybe cranes are there for the sub, or maybe they’re there for a completely different reason, like refitting the dock. There are plenty of other perfectly logical explanations here, so the leap is in no way warranted. If there was a satellite picture of cranes lifting the actual sub out, yeah that would news.
This is just a nonsense story to get people in the west excited that there a possibility of some mishap having happened in China. You would never see a story like this printed about the US in a mainstream newspaper. This is world weekly news style reporting.
