Please bully this fucking lib.
Fuck you Kevin and fuck everyone weaponizing our identity to try to get us to vote for genocide.
I live in fucking California MY VOTE DOES NOT MATTER GO FUCK YOURSELF.
Guess what asshole I do have friends in Gaza and none of them give a fuck if I vote for Harris or Trump because the bombs will keep coming either way.
FUCK YOU FUCK YOU FUCK YOU.
The one person I know in Gaza (lost contact now though :/) keeps saying anyone that isn’t actively involved in overthrowing our states involved in this is culpable.
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Neither of them. I won’t lift a finger in support of either one.
If someone wants my vote they need to actually offer me something. If they would rather lose my vote than concede anything they are fundamentally opposed to my goals. I’m not interested in empowering or legitimizing my enemies.
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So unless a candidate is 100% aligned with every wish and desire you have and placates you with generous offerings,
Why does every single argument libs have on voting sound like a stark condemnation of democracy itself?
Yeah just make Democrats into kings, then you’ll be happy, and won’t have to worry anymore about those pesky elections
You do realize that’s not how democracy works, right?
That is in fact exactly how democracy works
That’s how it was envisioned. You voted for the person who aligned with your views on the world. America is the one who corrupted it into two identical parties and started this dogshit meme that you have to hold your nose and vote for a colour regardless of policy
Note: I’m not American but this still applies.
I said in my other comment that it’s not just Palestine, she also wants to build the Trump border wall. It’s not 80% alignment but near zero.
The only policy that she had that was even half decent was price controls and she dropped that very quickly.
She says she will defend abortion, but has not said how. She said she will defend LGBT rights but again, how?
You know, liberals and leftist parties in global south countries are far more competent when it comes to describing policy. Heck even Obama masqueraded as a progressive.
For instance, here is the manifesto of the coalition which recently won the elections in Sri Lanka. Will they be able to implement it? Maybe maybe not, but they articulated it.
“We won’t do genocide” is not a generous offer, it’s the bare fucking minimum.
“You won’t vote for someone who’s 0% aligned with you? Clearly that means you’ll only vote for candidates that 100% align with you.”
Fuck you genocide supporter
Please tell me more about how this wonderful democracy works
See, democracy is when fascism is the default outcome, wanting better is unrealistic and you gotta vote genocide to “stop” genocide. No, you don’t get to question what stop means here
Please explain to me how democracy works, wise liberal. How much genocide does democracy require you vote for? How much must you empower your opponents to be democratic?
Why don’t you vote for Trump? Just because he’s not offering anything you want?
I will not smile happily and be grateful for the ability to vote as a I vote for someone perpetuating a genocide
unless a candidate is 100% aligned with every wish and desire you have and placates you
When a liberal thinks “not supporting genocide” is too high of a bar
Neither. You can’t make me support genocide.
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Neither. I pick neither.
If you’re able to choose between two facilitators off genocide, you support genocide.
You support genocide.
I will not forgive you.
I know you’ve been banned, but I hope you’ll still see this. It’s 1939, and you’ve turned away the MS St. Louis. You will never be redeemed.
If they’ll keep coming either way, which candidate do you want?
Honest answer to your likely dishonest question- if your country has nothing to offer the world but genocide, terrorism, and destruction (by the looks of it, it doesn’t) then I want whichever candidate will destroy your abominable, monstrous regime (and clearly it is yours, whatever degree you agree with it or not, you support it) in as quick and quarantined a fashion as possible.
Your country (mine as well, as a vassal of yours) is currently engaging in full-scale industrial genocide and pushing for WW3 on multiple fronts. Did you think that sticking a pride flag on your genocide, propping up a black (slaver) figurehead to be the face of it, or promising table scraps (lmao, it’s not like anyone even expects those- but those who do are both evil and gullible) to the peasants would make it any better? Frankly as a poor, queer POC it doesn’t, it fills me with disgust and makes me want to puke (much as I imagine anti-Zionist Jews feel seeing their religion used to perpetuate yet another holocaust on their Palestinian cousins).
Seeing our collective identities being held up as a shield to defend the ultimate sin of genocide makes me want to actually just slap these gormless fucking liberals.
Like why the fuck would I vote for someone that wants to throw me in a prison where if I were not sufficiently masc presenting I would be at an overwhelmingly higher vulnerability for being SA’d or murdered? How can you think it’s okay to demand I vote for that?
Whichever one does something hilarious to you personally
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Kamala wants to start World War 3 and might be successful at it
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Trump wants to start World War 3 but he has no attention span
Honestly, for the WW3 argument, I think there’s a pretty good case to be made that Trump, warmonger and racist that he is, doesn’t want WW3 (or will resist it more than Klanmala and co.)
That said, nobody decent should be supporting either racist, murderous genocidaire (though WW3 and potential nuclear annihilation is as good an excuse as there ever will be, I could accept that at least). Any system that parades about such monsters as the false “choices” of the people is wholly illegitimate. I just hope the rest of humanity can protect itself from whatever may come next and fully and utterly deliver on the MAD deterrent if need be.
I’m not speaking scientifically or anything but I live in chud country and nobody here is excited about their choices. It would have been a good year for Democrats to bring something to the table. But no.
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I’ll add some more options:
- Harris will stop the genocide
- None of the above
4 is the correct response, all others are false
Liberals refuse to understand how voting works. Even ignoring Palestine, Kamala has nothing to offer.
In fact wrt to domestic policy she will likely be closer to Bill Clinton than Joe Biden. All the marginal improvements with FTC going after (some) corps will be reverted.
In fact wrt to domestic policy she will likely be closer to Bill Clinton than Joe Biden. All the marginal improvements with FTC going after (some) corps will be reverted.
I’m not sure what reason there is to think that, other than the general pessimism we are all feeling.
Biden was a neolib ghoul his whole career until he wasn’t; the policy wonks arent going back.
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Let’s hear some examples then
Well maybe they’re a Pell grant recipient who started and ran a small business in a disadvantaged community for at least 3 years in need of some relief on their student loans.
Many such cases
Like what, all of the same inhumane border policies they correctly decried as fascist 8 years ago? Support for two different sets of nazis?
Tax credits, border wall, lethal military. Yea very popular among Republicans who are going to vote Trump.
What could be a more basic and foundational need and right than survival? Klanmala is actively participating in the destruction of those rights in Gaza as we speak. Literal industrial genocide is ongoing, anyone who claims otherwise is willfully ignorant.
Or are you willing to look the other way and sweep the Palestinians (and many others who Klanmala and the Democratic party as well as the bipartisan USA has victimized and will continue to victimize) under the rug, so long as you get yours?
Also- if so, if you are a supporter of genocide, why the hell should I care about whatever the hell you “need?”
For example?
muh project 2025
The others who need what Kopmala is offering: corporations (MIC in particular), cops, racist border guards, the Zionist Entity.
Even if my vote mattered I’m still not voting for a transphobic genocider
EXACTLY and the fact they put the trans flag only on the other side after she threw trans women into mens prisons boiled my fucking blood
Philly voting
Directly impacted by DeSantis’s transphobic bullshit and still voting
(Funnily enough, this shit got pushed under Biden. Where was he?)
I FUCKING KNOW RIGHT?
These fucking libs do not get to weaponize our identity to justify pulling the genocide lever.
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using minorities as objects to leverage for benefiting your own positions, before abandoning them and ignoring them and undermining them every step of the way so that they will remain sufficiently oppressed and downtrodden and under attack with your active participation so that you can repeat the same charade next election.
Democrats and liberals who support them like yourself use minorities as political bludgeons in elections and for justifying imperialism like mario world uses Yoshi to get across a big hole in the ground. Obama regime had both houses of congress and a majority governorships and a sympathetic court while holding the executive. his Citigroup-groomed ass could’ve codified abortion rights, LGBTQ civil rights, defunding police to reinvest in communities the police destroyed under both parties (NOTE: JOE BIDEN AND BILL CLINTON WERE THE ARCHITECTS OF RACIST MASS INCARCERATION — JOE BIDEN WAS A SEGREGATIONIST), any number of things.
Democrats not only didn’t do any of that, but then gave away a free supreme court seat to the Republicans (two if you count not pressuring Ginsburg’s fossilized ass to retire) to the Republicans ENSURING that they could drum up abortion rights and LGBTQ rights being under attack for next elections because the Democrats work for the big banks and for arms dealers and the worst imperialist racketeers and liars and murderers the capitalist world has to offer; and relies on these social issues to be “hot” so they can manipulate working class votes (by weaponizing minorities) without having to do JACK SHIT ANYTHING for the working class EVER.
That answer your question?
Notice how they didn’t even flinch at the fact that I said they are pulling the genocide lever because they know it and they can’t even deny it anymore.
Also fantastic answer I have been out cold with food poisoning the last couple days and could not have mustered the effort for such a great post nor do I think anyone on this entire site could have said it better. I’m gonna be saving that for later use.
I’m glad it was deleted before I saw it that UlyssesT quoted them as saying “I was only asking academically” cuz ooooh man would they have gotten it then. these mfs need to be shaken and yelled at “THE WORLD IS A REAL PLACE WITH REAL PEOPLE”
Hope you’re feeling better comrade <3
It’s the whole “lesser evil / harm reduction” discourse run into the gutter. When you end up with people saying “you need to support this rabidly imperialist bloodsoaked omnicidal monster, or you don’t care about women / LGBTQ people / people of color etc.”
Same here.
Which statement does he believe?
1.kamala might stop the genocide
- Voting kamala mindlessly helps Gaza
so if you vote harris you expect her to end the genocide or you just don’t care about the genocide (or even support it). since harris is the vice president of the government that allowed the genocide to happen, i suspect the second one is true in your case.
I wish this picture would stop being relevant.
“See what I did here? I put forth a false dichotomy that makes people who actually understand the functions of this neoliberal hellhole look like silly, foolish, and rebellious cringelords who are just edgy LARPers. Kneel before me, liberal army!”
to the liberal, politics is a singular event that one must psychologically prepare to experience, like a particularly unpleasant trip to the doctor. this is the
. there is no other way to impact the world; the actual positions of the choices are an impossible black box
: “The GOP will hit you with the imperial boomerang, so vote for the party that’s twiddling their thumbs in power now and letting them do it! We can’t just tell them to stop or it will make them win! We have to give the GOP everything they want as democrats or they will get in power and REALLY get everything they want!”death to america
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Is actual genocide even unpalatable to you?
If the two options to eat are arsenic and cyanide, choosing one of them to eat doesn’t improve your chances of survival.
The population should be enraged at the ruling class for offering them corpses as food
Refusing to vote because both options aren’t palatable is equivalent to refusing to eat because both options aren’t palatable.
No it actually isn’t
You do realise that its not 2 choices but 5, and 2 of those arent pro genocide? acting like genocide is a non issue when it comes to voting is just going to show everyone you are a fascist
Refusing to vote because both options aren’t palatable is equivalent to refusing to eat because both options aren’t palatable. Eventually you’ll starve
Are you like suffering from some kind of stroke or brain damage?
Are you an avatar of liberalism? Like do you need to VOTE to survive? dude you can just not vote and guess what, the grinding, body and soul destroying work of capital will proceed either way. You don’t need to endorse a lesser or greater evil because jesus fucking christ, if you’re not a child you should have learned this after at least 3 elections by now, your fucking voting is meaningless.
You’re throwing your life into a pissing match between two parties that are both bourgeois and do not represent you and you could simply not
