• jjjalljs@ttrpg.network
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    4 hours ago

    The fastest way to an echo chamber is to ignore everyone who disagrees with you.

    This isn’t about the entire set of people who disagree.

    It is a waste of time to engage some kinds of people. They are not acting in good faith.

    There’s a Sartre quote about it

    Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.

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      2 hours ago

      I believe it helps to be able to identify bad faith actors. If you have never heard their arguments before then you run the risk of not realising its a bad faith argument. This could mean you end up taking them seriously.

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        40 minutes ago

        Let me help you out:

        There are NO sound arguments for racism, fascism etc.

        None.

        There is no point in listening to racists and fascists.

        Ever.

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          18 minutes ago

          Who said there was? Dont try to strawman this. You are missing the point. And your condescension is unwarranted.

          No, there is no sound argument for racism, and when you hear an argument for it, you identify its nonsense and move on. But that doesn’t mean there are no sound arguments for other things you disagree with.

          Frankly, anyone can point at something that is morally wrong and say it’s wrong. That doesn’t make YOU right. Thats just essentially virtue signalling.

          I disagree with fascists and racists too. But im sure there is something else out there we disagree on, such as whether or not you should block people who disagree with you.

          My point is that you can’t arrive at what is right without knowing what is wrong and you can’t know what is wrong if you block everyone who disagrees with you.

          You also cant rule out a person having a good take just because they also have some bad takes.